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To: Zhang Fei

Last time I heard, they were throwing people out. It was either up or out. Has that changed?


4 posted on 11/04/2019 5:08:47 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: virgil

[Last time I heard, they were throwing people out. It was either up or out. Has that changed?]


Given all the waivers they’re having to hand out over new recruits who can’t hack the entry standards, it makes a lot of sense to retain existing personnel who actually are qualified:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/03/14/after-2018s-recruiting-shortfall-it-will-take-a-lot-longer-to-build-the-army-to-500k/


5 posted on 11/04/2019 5:12:07 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: virgil
High year of tenure IS "up or out". Career E-4s are history and have been for a long time.

Same for the officer corps. The only O-3s you will see retiring with 20 are mustangs.

6 posted on 11/04/2019 5:17:04 PM PST by pfflier
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To: virgil
It was either up or out. Has that changed?

It has always been up or out, but after a person reaches a certain rank, the year you must get out (High Year Tenure) is either at or over the 20 year point where a person can retire.

The Air Force has the highest High Year Tenure times for all the services. An E-5 Airman can go to the 20 year point whereas the highest year for E-5 in any other branch is 16 years. That means an E-5 in the Air Force can go until retirement while in other services their enlisted troops have to get promoted at least to E-6.

7 posted on 11/04/2019 5:23:02 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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HRM and playing personnel strength numbers really close to vest.

HR management tools used since the 80’s have included frequent weight program adjustments, PFT changes, merging rates and MOS, college degree requirements for entry level enlistments... it is AFU and discourages reenlistments.

Removing tenure caps bottlenecks the lower ranks with dinosaurs clogging any chance of upward mobility. It is stupidity with failure written all over it. Worse, these moving target management programs leads to the degradation of an effective armed forces.


16 posted on 11/04/2019 8:51:00 PM PST by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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HRM and playing personnel strength numbers really close to vest.

HR management tools used since the 80’s have included frequent weight program adjustments, PFT changes, merging rates and MOS, college degree requirements for entry level enlistments... it is AFU and discourages reenlistments.

Removing tenure caps bottlenecks the lower ranks with dinosaurs clogging any chance of upward mobility. It is stupidity with failure written all over it. Worse, these moving target management programs leads to the degradation of an effective armed forces.


17 posted on 11/04/2019 8:53:45 PM PST by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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