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HOW THE LEFT’S LICENTIOUSNESS AND LUNACY VALIDATES THE BIBLE [vanity]
10/27/19 | me

Posted on 10/27/2019 6:11:54 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6

HOW THE LEFT’S LICENTIOUSNESS AND LUNACY VALIDATES THE BIBLE

FReepers differ widely in our personal faiths, but we unite in detesting the Left’s outrageous worldview and politics. It may surprise you that the Bible explains just why those people degenerate as they have. Paul details their step-by-step decline in Romans 1 (I’ve highlighted each successive descent):

“18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but THEIR THINKING BECAME FUTILE AND THEIR FOOLISH HEARTS WERE DARKENED. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, THEY BECAME FOOLS 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 THEY EXCHANGED THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD FOR A LIE, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO SHAMEFUL LUSTS. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as THEY DID NOT THINK IT WORTHWHILE TO RETAIN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, SO GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO A DEPRAVED MIND, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 THEY HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING, NO FIDELITY, NO LOVE, NO MERCY. 32 ALTHOUGH THEY KNOW GOD’S RIGHTEOUS DECREE THAT THOSE WHO DO SUCH THINGS DESERVE DEATH, THEY NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO DO THESE VERY THINGS BUT ALSO APPROVE OF THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM.

New International Version (emphases added)


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I prefer a previous edition’s rendition of verse 31, their final condition, because it suits them so perfectly: “THEY ARE SENSELESS, FAITHLESS, HEARTLESS, RUTHLESS.”

Without presuming to judge anyone's final destination, it's reasonable to consider how these reprobates developed.

1 posted on 10/27/2019 6:11:54 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6
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To: Hebrews 11:6

“18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,”

I guess more than a few escaped his wrath.


2 posted on 10/27/2019 6:15:48 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Please see chapter 2.


3 posted on 10/27/2019 6:20:14 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: TexasGator

They haven’t even seen the wrath they have allowed themselves to succumb to, as life on earth is not where the wrath will be wrought. 8>)


4 posted on 10/27/2019 6:24:58 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Hebrews 11:6

Which translation did you quote the KJV states: 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:


5 posted on 10/27/2019 6:37:09 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: TexasGator

The wise man inclines his heart to the right. The fool inclines to the left.
Ecclesiastes 10:2


6 posted on 10/27/2019 6:37:16 PM PDT by MattMusson (Sometimes the wind blows too much)
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To: Blue Highway

New International Version


7 posted on 10/27/2019 6:39:31 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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No I meant when you wrote you prefer a "previous version" where it states "“THEY ARE SENSELESS, FAITHLESS, HEARTLESS, RUTHLESS.”

Which translation is a) a previous version to the NIV translation. and b) which translation did you find this in as it's not the KJV which is considered the previous version to the NIV version and is kind of the standard bible translation to most people.

8 posted on 10/27/2019 6:43:29 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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"a previous edition’s rendition"

A previous EDITION of the NIV (the much better 1984 edition).

9 posted on 10/27/2019 6:47:59 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

This is a conservative, libertarian forum. You shouldn’t be posting the Democrat Party platform on it.


10 posted on 10/27/2019 6:50:40 PM PDT by Hootowl (i)
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To: Hootowl

Ya got me!


11 posted on 10/27/2019 6:54:42 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

What are your thoughts of the NIV version having altered verses or omitted verses from the bible? See Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:18-19 for what God thinks of this.


12 posted on 10/27/2019 7:28:25 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Hebrews 11:6; Blue Highway
There is no real warrant to change "without understanding" (KJV) to the less clear "senseless; " likewise "covenantbreakers" to "faithless" (Gk.asunthetous: "A privative and verbal sunthetos from suntithēmi, to put together. Old word, common in lxx (Jer 3:7), men “false to their engagements” ... who treat covenants as “a scrap of paper.” - Robertson's word pictures); much less "without natural affection" to "heartless" (Gk. astorgous: "Late word, a privative and storgē, love of kindred. In N.T. only here and 2Ti_3:3." - ibid), while leaving out "implacable" and replacing , "unmerciful" with "ruthless" (aneleēmonas: "From a privative and eleēmōn, merciful." - ibid)

But the NIV is less a word for word type translation, and more of an interpretive paraphrase, plus in order to obtain copyrite, I think a translation must be substantially different.

13 posted on 10/27/2019 7:29:48 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

Note the progressive moral degeneration begins with idolatry.


14 posted on 10/27/2019 7:30:38 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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Even the NIV abandoned my preference in its subsequent edition. I, too, have looked at the Greek, but eisegetically, as I admitted, I think it describes them so well: it's punchier.
15 posted on 10/27/2019 7:42:40 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: daniel1212
begins with idolatry

The left's innumerable idols have been well-documented.

16 posted on 10/27/2019 7:46:14 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Gamecock; HarleyD; Luircin; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
Without presuming to judge anyone's final destination, it's reasonable to consider how these reprobates developed.

Notice the contrary nature of this degeneration from what ordained from the beginning.

In Genesis 1 and 2 God is the creator and the creation is His handiwork and glorifies Him, and serves man who tames/cultivates it, and who in cp. 3 earns his bread by labor. And on the horizontal plane God created the female for the male as his only fitting helpmeet and with the male as the head, and sexually (etc.) joins them in marriage, and produce children (cp. 5).

In contrast, in liberal ideology the creation is worshiped (incldg. themselves) and indolence is rewarded, while women rule over men, and avoid usually having children, and sexually join same genders together, with or without marriage.

And who is the author of this societal perversion of what God has ordained but the devil, who seeks worship thereby.

17 posted on 10/27/2019 7:49:43 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

Pretty much!


18 posted on 10/27/2019 7:58:26 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;... (KJV)

This to me explains it all. The utter insanity that we are seeing is the result of God turning them over to their reprobate minds.

19 posted on 10/27/2019 9:13:04 PM PDT by LibertyWoman
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;... (KJV)

This to me explains it all. The utter insanity that we are seeing is the result of God turning them over to their reprobate minds.

20 posted on 10/27/2019 9:13:04 PM PDT by LibertyWoman
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