The Codevilla Tapes

Tablet ^ | October 24, 2019 | David Samuels

[Robert DeLong]

While I put this under chit/chat it really is about government, and how it works and has worked since the 1930s. The interviewer is in bold and Angelo is in regular print:

In the aftermath of the Church Committee revelations, yes?

Right. Now you use that term “the Church Committee” in the context that it was something that was antagonistic to the intelligence business. It was not. The Church Committee was a joint operation between, let’s call it “the left” inside the intelligence community, specifically the CIA, and their friends on the Hill. The result of it was that the left component of that bureaucracy has control of the CIA now.

The drafting of FISA was a cooperative enterprise between the Democratic majority, at that point, of Congress, the staffers being all Church Committee staffers, every one of them. And the ACLU. What I’m calling the establishment left. They were the drafters.

But the impetus of the drafting came from the FBI, primarily, and secondarily from the CIA, the NSA. The reason for their pressure was that the left had sued individual members of the FBI for having wiretapped them during the Vietnam War, in their communications with North Vietnam, communist Czechoslovakia, the KGB, and so on. Now they didn’t like that, and they wanted to make sure that nothing like that ever happened again.

So the point of FISA from the standpoint of the left was to keep that from happening again. The point of FISA from the standpoint of the FBI etcetera was never to be in a position to be sued again.

There are many topics, including Deplorables. Well worth the read 8>)

[Still Thinking]

Thanks for pinging. Much to chew on.

[sphinx]

Excellent piece. A lot to think through.

[Dr. Sivana]

I did read the whole thing, but I don’t think the opening paragraphs were meant to be satirical. Codevilla is always worth reading, and the interviewer did a good job with honest follow-ups in the latter half of the interview.

I was a little confused as the name of the webpage was TABLET (tabletmag.com) which I had associated with the English Catholic publication. Later, I went to the home page and found it is a Jewish website.

[Yardstick]

Good interview but I think Codevilla underestimates the degree of treachery present in the Russia hoax from the very beginning. He seems to think it started small with limited aims and then kind of got out of hand. I think it was big and deep from the beginning and I think the upcoming investigations are going to show this very clearly.

[Robert DeLong]

Well it could be either way, though I do believe it started small and not very well thought out because they did not believe he had a chance in hell of winning even the nomination. Once he won that they were sure he would lose the general election, but they started in real earnest. The Papadopoulos thing was a measure on which to build upon, but he did not biter the bait as they had hoped he would. When he won the general election they started to panic and really turn up the heat.

But it could have started out much bigger as you say, but I think because they thought he was a joke living a pipe dream it started out much smaller than we may think. Hopefully we will fund out how it started, and soon. 8>)

[vpintheak]

Right on the Money here:

“What an ungenerous way to describe my noble instinct to help the less fortunate. Do the less fortunate truly have nothing to be aggrieved about, here in America?

Whatever they have to be aggrieved about, that grievance serves your instrumental purpose. Their grievance is your happiness. If they didn’t have a grievance, you’d try to manufacture it. Their having a grievance is an occasion for you to, to sharpen it, to scratch it, and to make it more relevant to them than it otherwise would be.”

[gattaca]

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[mo]

a country who has created an enemy within will never be able to prevail against any enemy without .....

What we have here at home will embroil the country for 2 generations-as we all have tried to pretend the sociocommunists among us the last 2 generations are merely “playing house”

they even taunt us all with Senator McCarthy’s “Russian paranoia” -and so far appear to be prevailing

[mewzilla]

Good interview but I think Codevilla underestimates the degree of treachery present in the Russia hoax from the very beginning. He seems to think it started small with limited aims and then kind of got out of hand. I think it was big and deep from the beginning and I think the upcoming investigations are going to show this very clearly.

Big, deep, and multinational....

[Robert DeLong]

I don’t think the country created, however, due to its nature it was easily invaded with Trojan Horse like infiltration.

[Loud Mime]

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