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Dyson shows electric cars are too easy to make. US$2.5 billion project was doomed to fail
South China Morning Post ^ | 11 Oct 2019

Posted on 10/12/2019 8:44:51 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: dp0622

I have a chart and everything.

A chartist, eh?

Extra caution with the bear traps and the dreaded bull traps!!!

Triple tops! That can make you a small fortune!!!
(If you start with a LARGE fortune!!!)


21 posted on 10/12/2019 10:17:00 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: Rockingham
"Dyson’s approach of high quality and technical excellence also led to an impossibly large accumulation of sunk costs"

"High quality and technical excellence" are brand image perceptions, and do not necessarily reflect actual capability of a producer. High cost is often perceived as high quality when it may not be true. There are many low cost producers who exceed the quality and technical excellence of the high cost producers. In fact, that's likely more true than it is not.

22 posted on 10/12/2019 10:42:28 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Elon Musk is a great miner. He has learned to mine the public treasuries for direct taxpayer subsidies for his products better than most American industrialists ever have. Without them his whole business model is a failure. When they end - the subsidies, he will be out of business.


23 posted on 10/12/2019 10:48:04 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: DUMBGRUNT
"there are dozens of IC (internal combustion) powered vehicles that provide better transportation for their buyers. Yes, true today, but not in the coming years."

The main driver of EVs in the US today is government mandated fuel economy standards. The only to meet them is with EVs. Down the road, though, there is simply not enough electrical production and distribution to charge the batteries in large numbers of EVs. Unless there are major increases in nuclear powerplants, most future EVs will lie along the side of the roads with dead batteries (along side the dead birds from failing wind turbines).

24 posted on 10/12/2019 10:51:53 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: Mouton

Electric vehicles are great for many applications and will be good to have in the marketplace. Hopefully I will have one in the future. That said, the death of the combustion engine is greatly exaggerated.


25 posted on 10/12/2019 10:53:00 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: norwaypinesavage

In this instance, Dyson’s plans relied on several major innovations, including a fast-charging solid state lithium battery. This key technology though resisted commercialization, which deprived Dyson of a projected advantage in the marketplace.


26 posted on 10/12/2019 10:56:56 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Triple tops.

but sometimes a stock or future DOES bust through on the 4th or 5th or even 6th time.

then off to the races!! :)


27 posted on 10/12/2019 11:04:33 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Down the road, though, there is simply not enough electrical production and distribution to charge the batteries in large numbers of EVs.

There may be some substations where that is a true statement.

Peak usage is typically twice the average daytime use, daytime use is twice nighttime usage.

Also, intelligent charging stations to utilize off-peak rates for fleets.
Bezos will NOT be charging his new 10,000 Rivian trucks during premium rate hours.

Typical US car is driven 30 miles a day, not a big charge.

I think my daughter’s fancy hairdryer uses more juice!

https://newsroom.aaa.com/2015/04/new-study-reveals-much-motorists-drive/


28 posted on 10/12/2019 11:13:17 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Dyson? I buy his vacuum cleaners and the quality has consistently fallen with each new vacuum.

There is no way I’d buy one of his cars.

The last Dyson Animal vacuum I bought has one of the world’s most powerful motors! It’s truly amazing!

Unfortunately, it is attached to a poorly constructed, lightweight frame that’s barely capable of handling the world’s weakest motor, not the most powerful.

It’s sorta like a 426 Hemi stuffed into a Yugo. It was amazing for as long as it lasted, which was not long.

Dyson should go back to his roots and try making quality vacuums again.

If he and his company can show me they can manage the small stuff, I might trust them with something bigger.

Until then, I’m waiting on customer service for parts ...

29 posted on 10/12/2019 11:31:29 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
"I think my daughter’s fancy hairdryer uses more juice [than an EV]!"

You need some serious re-education. The typical household in the US uses about 1100 kWh of electricity annually. There are roughly 2 cars per household, meaning the households use about 550 kWh per car. The typical EV gets less than three miles per kWh. At 15,000 miles per year, the 2 EVs would consume over 1000 kWh, the same power that the average US household consumes today.

This means that electrical production AND DISTRIBUTION needs to double just to power household EVs. I can assure that your daughter's fancy hair dryer doesn't double the electrical usage of your household.

30 posted on 10/12/2019 11:31:55 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: norwaypinesavage
+1

They were told there would be no math.

31 posted on 10/12/2019 11:33:41 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

You need some serious re-education.

Probably a true statement, but it has been called to my attention that I may not be much of a fast learner, if I recall correctly they used the word ‘slow’.

That said, please check your ciphering, show your work and cite your sources.

“The typical household in the US uses about 1100 kWh of electricity annually.”

It appears that you are off by a factor of 10???

How much electricity does an American home use?
In 2018, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. residential utility customer was 10,972 kilowatthours (kWh), an average of about 914 kWh per month. Tennessee had the highest annual electricity consumption at 15,394 kWh per residential customer, and Hawaii had the lowest at 6,213 kWh per residential customer.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=97&;t=3


32 posted on 10/12/2019 11:54:47 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

You’re right, I missed a zero in my annual household electric usage numbers, but I missed the same zero in the annual EV usage. The two cancel, and the conclusion is the same.


33 posted on 10/12/2019 5:31:14 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: norwaypinesavage

and the conclusion is the same...
Barbie says, ’math class is tough,’ 

As previously cited the US average is 30 miles/day.

There are roughly 2 cars per household=60 miles per day.

 The typical EV gets less than three miles per kWh./ 3 * 60 = 180 kWh.

” meaning the households use about 550 kWh per car.”
Not the >1000 kWh for two cars that you claimed????...

Have you dropped your calculator lately?
Batteries ok?
Maybe it has too many functions and you lost track of the process?
You probably never cared for RPN so it is time to move on to a newer calculator.


34 posted on 10/12/2019 6:10:02 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

you divide by 3, you don’t multiply. Yes, I liked RPN, those darn Poles really know how to notate in reverse. Too bad calculators don’t use it any more.


35 posted on 10/12/2019 6:50:33 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: GBA
Dyson? I buy his vacuum cleaners and the quality has consistently fallen with each new vacuum.

I do like his Spheres though.


36 posted on 10/12/2019 8:49:40 PM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: Lazamataz
Yeah, but those are hard to find these days.

They were too fragile. Just like his vacuum cleaners.

37 posted on 10/13/2019 10:51:06 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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