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Amber Guyger guilty of murdering black neighbor Botham Jean in his own home
The Guardian via Yahoo Noose ^ | October 2, 2019 | Tom Dart in Houston

Posted on 10/02/2019 9:33:26 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

A former police officer who argued she had a right to use lethal force when she killed an innocent man after mistakenly entering his apartment has been convicted of murder.

Amber Guyger faces a lengthy prison sentence after a jury found her guilty of the murder of Botham Jean in Dallas on 6 September last year – a verdict Jean family attorneys hailed as a significant moment in the battle to hold police accountable.

Guyger is white. Jean was black. Guyger is the first Dallas police department officer to be convicted of murder since the 1970s, the Dallas Morning News reported.

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To: Tired of Taxes
This is repetitious. You simply reiterate what you said with some undisputed facts included in your spiel, but you still don't seem to grasp the point I am making, and at this point I really see no need to get you to do so.

I think the interests of justice have been served, even if they went down the wrong path to achieve it.

Believe as you wish, and have a nice day.

281 posted on 10/03/2019 9:07:15 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Well, we agree that we disagree.

Have a nice day.


282 posted on 10/03/2019 9:22:33 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: TexasGator

If one is going to chose to believe the rest of the story that makes her look like a felonious idiot then why would she lie about something a lot less important.

I see no reason for her to lie about this point. The jury accepted that she shot the guy without questioning the specifics of her story.

The questions I have for her only make the situation look worse for her.

LEO’s have intensive training about situational awareness that the public does not get. This is training that is extensive while the trainee is in the LE academy/college learning program, and is tested repetitiously in exercise after exercise until you get it right.

And yet according to her, she ended up not knowing where she was, not noticing everything around here was strange and new to her, and then killing a guy because she thought she was in her own home.

That one is a pretty big bite to take and chew.

I see it as a contradiction of her training.

The things I don’t know.

Was there any substance abuse in her life. Was she under the influence of or needing the substance? A lot of cops drink.

Were there personal problems of the nature that distracted her and lowered her ability to function at the level you need to when carrying a firearm.

In either of the above situations she should have removed herself from duty and asked for help.

These are the questions I have about her and her mental/physical condition on the day she shot her neighbor.

If she lied about anything I believe it was about the condition of her mental awareness when she got out of her car that day.


283 posted on 10/03/2019 10:18:38 AM PDT by oldenuff35
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To: subterfuge

and you must be a liberal, right? I mean, you attack the messenger instead of addressing the issue.


284 posted on 10/03/2019 11:44:47 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yes. I didn’t think people would have such a hard time understanding that there are circumstances which justify intentionally killing someone

That was the whole basis of her defense.

My point was that, in Texas at least, if you intentionally kill someone and are convicted, you are convicted of murder. There is no other choice. You can not get manslaughter if you did it intentionally. And she testified she did it intentionally. She was going for an all or nothing defense.

Of course if what you did was justifiable (self defense, protecting your property or others property, etc,) then you are not guilty in the first place.


285 posted on 10/04/2019 3:37:53 AM PDT by sipow
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To: sipow
My point was that, in Texas at least, if you intentionally kill someone and are convicted, you are convicted of murder.

Quirk of Texas law. Yes, "murder" is the unlawful killing of someone, but it ought to be the unlawful deliberate killing of someone. Killing them because you thought they were a threat ought to fall into the category of "accidental", and therefore not "deliberate", and therefore not "murder", but instead "manslaughter" or "reckless homicide."

But this is just hair splitting. The consequences would be the same as what she got, and I thought the sentence was lenient to her. 20 years would also have been reasonable. More than that, and I would think they were just being cruel for someone who did it as an accident.

Of course if what you did was justifiable (self defense, protecting your property or others property, etc,) then you are not guilty in the first place.

Yes, odd quirk. You're found guilty, you committed "murder", if you're not found guilty, you walk away with no charges. Again, seems like they should slip a "manslaughter" into the statute somewhere, but they just didn't.

286 posted on 10/04/2019 12:31:47 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

You said “Killing them because you thought they were a threat ought to fall into ‘accidental’ ... therefore not ‘murder’’, but instead ‘manslaughter’ or ‘reckless homicide’”.

That actually is not how it works in many places.

Reasonably believing that a person is a threat and using deadly force against them is not manslaughter or reckless homicide. It is not a crime at all.

That is true in many places outside of Texas.


287 posted on 10/06/2019 2:52:31 PM PDT by sipow
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