Posted on 10/02/2019 9:33:26 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
A former police officer who argued she had a right to use lethal force when she killed an innocent man after mistakenly entering his apartment has been convicted of murder.
Amber Guyger faces a lengthy prison sentence after a jury found her guilty of the murder of Botham Jean in Dallas on 6 September last year – a verdict Jean family attorneys hailed as a significant moment in the battle to hold police accountable.
Guyger is white. Jean was black. Guyger is the first Dallas police department officer to be convicted of murder since the 1970s, the Dallas Morning News reported.
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That’s HER claim about the door being ajar. Yeah, because everyone leaves their door ajar. Either he had left it open because he was waiting on a visitor or most people would have shoved a chair against it to keep it closed. Supposedly, he had door problems. Where’s the maintenance report? Even so, this ajar door didn’t have her # on it and had a bright red mat she had to be standing on.
Hopefully, you’d at least try CPR or hold a towel on the wound. She didn’t.
Her version of the story indicates the door was open. Neighbor statements indicate loud knocking and shouting. Distinctive red carpeting in his apartment. Locked or not, she still entered illegally and there are no provisions in the law for singularly just “breaking” or just “entering” . Does not matter - it’s still murder and the jury was likely instructed as such.
She shot an innocent man in his own house who had done nothing wrong. Police on the street in potentially dangerous situations might be given some leeway, but this woman was not in any potential danger, and was clearly intruding into his castle.
She did not act prudently and responsibly and immediately resorted to deadly force when her other and much easier option would have been to simply step back outside the door and assess the situation.
She was criminally negligent, and/or reckless, and it cost a man's life. Therefore she should be required to pay a price for recklessly killing a man.
If her gun fell out of her holster, went off, and the bullet went through the wall and killed the man then that's accidental. Drawing her pistol, aiming, and firing was deliberate.
The shooting at him was deliberate, and the practice cops receive at firing center of mass made it very likely to be a killing shot, although I've read she did miss with one round.
The intent was to kill a criminal she believed to be a threat to her in her own home. The intent was not to kill an innocent man in his own home.
The difference here is that her intent wasn't criminal, her intent was to do something she believed was legal.
“She was not looking for this guy to kill him.”
In her own words, she said she intended to kill him.
Eons ago, I found out some apts. had the same key after a couple of times someone would open my door and IMMEDIATELY shut it before taking one step in. I had a furnished apt. so it would be similar to others but every time, people knew in a split second it wasn’t theirs.
About 28 years if the prosecution recommendation is followed.
The intent was to kill a criminal she believed to be a threat to her in her own home. The intent was not to kill an innocent man in his own home.
Intent isn't always relevant. The police officer in Minneapolis intended to kill someone posing a threat to his and his partner's safety. The result was killing an innocent, unarmed woman who posed no threat. The consequence was a murder conviction. No accident in either case.
The difference here is that her intent wasn't criminal, her intent was to do something she believed was legal.
Well she really blew that one then.
The city issued her a police uniform and she was wearing it at the time. The weapon belonged to the city. This city’s officer failed to do cpr or anything to help him. Seems the family has a few legs to stand on if they sue.
The door could have been completely off the hinges and down in the maintenance man’s shop but the second she stepped across the threshold, she “broke” the threshold and was “breaking and entering”.
I’m white and female. My judgement would be 99 years. Not everything revolves around race.
Some dude sitting on a couch watching tv and eating ice cream isn’t an immediate threat to little 5’1” scrawny women. One hand on the bowl and one hand holding the spoon and a third hand reaching in the cushions for an AK-47 after uniformed police gal with a gun pointed at him?
It is these sorts of escape from logic that baffle me at times.
It wasn't her "word" that demonstrates the door wasn't closed properly at this particular time. It is the fact she could and did go through the door that demonstrates the door wasn't closed properly at this particular time.
Another glaring problem is from the dead body’s position, she never, in her best cop voice, ordered the “intruder” to stand up and put his hands in the air.
That's a lot of information to glean from the position of the body. I think any "conclusions" about this are mostly speculative.
She also didn’t do CPR or anything but let him bleed out.
You put a hole in someone's heart. They are dead. CPR will do nothing except pump the blood out of the heart faster. They call it "exsanguination."
Had the man been on an operating table with the finest heart specialists in the world, he was still likely a goner. You don't just fix a bullet in someone's heart.
You are right that she should have expressed concern and went through the motions of trying to help him, but there really was nothing she or anyone else could do for him at that point.
He was still alive, barely, when the other officers showed up.
What needed to be done for him was holes in important circulatory parts needed to be closed up, and this simply could not have been done before his blood seeped out of them. Of course they didn't know it, and the least people can do is to try to save him, but he was gone when she pulled the trigger.
Quick with God's judgement, aren't we?
Just read in the court reviews she had ended the sexy texts to her married partner 3 minutes before she fired her weapon. That’s 3 minutes to realize she was at the wrong apt.
Even Shep said a few minutes ago that she admitted to the intent.
What would you say if Mr. Jean had been armed, and successfully defended himself, and the armed threatening uninvited intruder Ms. Guyger had been killed?
He was still alive when the police arrived. A weak pulse but ALIVE. They did CPR. She didn’t lift a finger to help her supposed unintended victim.
Of course not. In both cases, cops were trigger happy and negligent. And let me be clear, when I say "no crime" I mean no crime of "murder". The crime was negligent or reckless homicide. In both cases.
Did the Minneapolis police officer get convicted of murder or manslaughter?
Never mind. Looked it up myself.
Noor was convicted of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
As if that makes any sense. How do you get convicted on two different charges for the exact same offense?
Should have been manslaughter or reckless homicide. Shouldn't be two different charges. Should be one single charge, and that should be manslaughter or some variation thereof.
Nope...absolutely not.Research jury nullification’s history,if you dare.Its history goes back to the early days of English common law.
see my post 64. Her mistakes does not absolve her of murder. She should have sought help first. The point is had the door locked her key would most likely would not have worked and slowed her actions so Jean would not had died. My experience has been woman cops think they have something to prove but in this case it turned her in to a murderer. If the apartment complex fell down on maintenance I hope the family sues them big time.
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