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Amber Guyger guilty of murdering black neighbor Botham Jean in his own home
The Guardian via Yahoo Noose ^ | October 2, 2019 | Tom Dart in Houston

Posted on 10/02/2019 9:33:26 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

A former police officer who argued she had a right to use lethal force when she killed an innocent man after mistakenly entering his apartment has been convicted of murder.

Amber Guyger faces a lengthy prison sentence after a jury found her guilty of the murder of Botham Jean in Dallas on 6 September last year – a verdict Jean family attorneys hailed as a significant moment in the battle to hold police accountable.

Guyger is white. Jean was black. Guyger is the first Dallas police department officer to be convicted of murder since the 1970s, the Dallas Morning News reported.

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To: TexasGator
So if I go out a kill someone on the street on a whim with no motive that is not murder?

I never thought I would have to explain simple legal concepts to people on Free Republic, but here we are.

Mens Rea.

"Criminal intent" is what makes something a crime.

101 posted on 10/02/2019 11:53:03 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Breaking, as in “breaking and entering”, has a technical meaning and does not require violence. The “breaking” can be any force applied to gain entry, including pushing open an unlocked door. As I recall, under common law, pushing aside a curtain can be a “breaking”.


102 posted on 10/02/2019 11:53:03 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: skinndogNN

“And this jury has two white people and 10 minorities. They will not just give her 5 years. I think she deserves about 10 years, but I suspect this jury gives her 20 or more.”

It is a jury if her peers.

That’s what she is guaranteed, that’s what she received.


103 posted on 10/02/2019 11:53:55 AM PDT by Meatspace
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To: oldenuff35
This was a good verdict.

I'm comfortable with it.

I personally think she lied her way from Manslaughter to Murder.

104 posted on 10/02/2019 11:53:59 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America NEEDS Mob Rule, another European and Mid East World War and a universal Draft)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Doors swinging open is what one expects when one is trying to enter one's apartment.

Again, I disagree. I don't expect the door to just swing open. I expect that I have to turn the deadbolt with a key, and then in a separate operation turn the knob lock with a key, before the door swings open.

105 posted on 10/02/2019 11:55:54 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Calling it a “crime” is making light of what constitutes a crime”

When you kill someone in their own home when they have done nothing wrong,

you have no reason to be in that home,

and you have not even been invited into that home,

THAT DAMN WELL IS A CRIME!

Someone needlessly died and the lady cop was at fault at every step of the incident.

The man was innocent and doing no harm to anyone and in his own home. He has no fault in this.

By the way, none of this has a damn thing to do with Race.


106 posted on 10/02/2019 11:59:26 AM PDT by oldenuff35
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To: TexasGunLover
I"m going to open that door and punish whoever it is broke into my home..." That's my take on her motive, which makes it murder by Texas law.

You don't think that little 5'1" scrawny women was afraid? You think she was gung ho bad @$$?

I had never considered that possibility because it doesn't occur to me that little women will try to bad @$$ much larger men.

I know the stats i've read indicate women cops are far more likely to shoot someone than are male cops, because most women realize they cannot fight a man and don't want to be in a position where a man can threaten them.

107 posted on 10/02/2019 12:04:23 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: sipow
Thanks for the explanation.

What she did sounds more like 2nd degree murder or possibly manslaughter in my state. She certainly is guilty of homicide. Makes me wonder how she got to be a cop in the first place.

108 posted on 10/02/2019 12:06:32 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: DiogenesLamp

With so many videos of people walking into light posts while texting, the “don’t text and drive” needs to be expanded.

If she was concentrating on texting that much, she has no clue of situational awareness which if anyone should obverse 24/7 are cops.


109 posted on 10/02/2019 12:07:37 PM PDT by bgill
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To: jimmygrace

Sure. Law abiding citizens who are also cops kill people who live in the same apartment complex expecting to get away with it with this well thought out plan, then panic on camera. Yep, sounds like a perfectly executed premeditated murder alright. You hate cops, right?


110 posted on 10/02/2019 12:08:08 PM PDT by subterfuge (RIP T.P.)
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To: oldenuff35

I hope she fries, or at least never sees the outside again.

But no one but *NO ONE* would want me on a jury. I think the Chinese and Arabs are too lenient.


111 posted on 10/02/2019 12:09:24 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

They should have taken the first person in history to even breath that “intent” means anything at all and made a horrific example of them.

I don’t care if you accidentally back over someone, drive drunk and kill them, or plot carefully for 10 years, it should be a couple of pieces of lumber and some sheetrock screws hanging you from the side of the road.


112 posted on 10/02/2019 12:11:59 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It’s murder because she herself testified that she intended to kill him when she shot him.

That’s why it’s murder under Texas law.


113 posted on 10/02/2019 12:12:44 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Persevero
There is an unidentified man sitting on an unfamiliar couch eating ice cream.

How do you know the couch is unfamiliar? Are these furnished apartments with all the same types of furniture? Does his couch look like her couch?

When you are startled by finding someone in your apartment, do you have the presence of mind to realize that he's just eating ice cream?

I am scared and confused and back out. That’s it.

Now this part I fully agree with. If she's in the doorway when she sees him, a normal reaction would be "Oh Sh*t! Someone's in my apartment! Let me get out the door and then asses the situation!"

This is where she exhibited bad judgement. Bad luck brought her to this confrontation, but bad judgement is what killed a man and ruined her life.

114 posted on 10/02/2019 12:12:58 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: edwinland
"My sympathy is with the guy who was minding his own business in his own apartment when a police officer entered and shot him."

So is everyone else's. The question is, what kind of crime did she commit?

115 posted on 10/02/2019 12:13:31 PM PDT by mlo
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To: tflabo; 4Runner
You know who else is guilty? The morons who hired this little idiot as a police officer.

"Botham Jean's life was taken by the feminist movement and the women's rights movement. They have cursed our society with women in positions of power and responsibility they genetically cannot handle. All in the name of some perverse conception of equality. We are sitting ducks as a result of the political mental illnesses our elected officials seem to become afflicted with once they reach the halls of power. Our military is still at it. But those chickens have yet to come home to roost. "

224 posted on 10/1/2019, 1:29:21 PM by 4Runner

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3782781/posts?page=224#224

116 posted on 10/02/2019 12:17:51 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: mlo

“The question is, what kind of crime did she commit?“

Jury Says-

Murder!


117 posted on 10/02/2019 12:19:56 PM PDT by Meatspace
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To: ozarker
It seems a fair number of folks are focusing on the door not being properly locked. It doesn’t matter . Breaking and entering doesn’t mean you have to “break” something to get in.

I would think that the word "break" has to apply if you are going to claim "breaking and entering."

Entering yes, breaking no. Accidentally entering someone else's apartment, car or house is not a crime.

118 posted on 10/02/2019 12:21:33 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: bigbob

Thank you. The way Texas handles murder cases may be a little bit different, but it makes sense.


119 posted on 10/02/2019 12:22:39 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Gay State Conservative

+1.


120 posted on 10/02/2019 12:23:48 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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