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Is it too Late to undo what the Birth Control Pill has Done?
Angelus News ^ | Apr 2018 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 09/22/2019 12:04:03 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: ifinnegan; CondoleezzaProtege
ifinnigan: "If the birth control pill did so much, there wouldn’t be so many abortions."

Not so. It's counterintuitive, but drilling down into the statistics shows widespread contraception precedes widespread abortion. Historically true,in almost every instance except USSR.

Also historically true: abortions, out-out-wedlock childbirth, and rapid spread of STD's go up whenever a new group becomes contraceptive "acceptors". Yes, contraception and out-of-wedlock pregnancies--- leading to nonmarital births AND abortions --- go up in tandem. Doesn't seem like it would be so, but so it is.

One can speculate about the reasons why--- ask me! I got an opinion! --- but you can't dispute that that's what happens.

When Patrick Moynihan wrote "The Negro Family: the Case for National Action" ("Moynihan Report," 1965) the out-of-wedlock birth rate for Black Americans was 25% --- much higher than for whites --- and he argued convincingly that this was causing the disintegration of the Black community on a catastrophic scale.

Fifty-plus years and an avalanche of condoms, jellies, jams, barriers, sprays, and 100 million cycles of OC's later--- and behold the progress: out-of-wedlock childbearing the white community is 1 out of 3, in the Latino community, 2 out of 3, in the Black community 4 out of 5.

Of course there are other causal factors, but none so statistically linked as the prevalence of the contraceptive mentality, which first means sex is de-linked (in people's minds) from pregnancy, and then, massively, means men are not linked to women, nor to their own children. ("That's her problem.")

Don't think I haven't heard that here at FR.

41 posted on 09/22/2019 1:43:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie." - Yiddish proverb)
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To: thecodont

They were nice - AND cars were higher... but they cost extra money and car companies dumped them...


42 posted on 09/22/2019 1:45:40 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Daniel Okrent HELP - lowlife editors at the New York Times need YOU... they've lost their way.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

What a load of barfola!


43 posted on 09/22/2019 1:46:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: bella1; jmacusa
The Pill both motivates, and is motivated by, promiscuity. No need to say which is the chicken and which is the egg. The Pill was the great enabler.

An editor of Playboy (I can't remember his name just now) did a history of the sexual revolution, and said none of this grand project in all its forms --- destruction of the marriage culture, rapid demand for abortion, the "sex work" prostitution-porn-trafficking revolution, mainstreaming of perversions, severing of sex from fertility, men from women, women from children, gender from anatomy, etc. --- would have been possible without, first, the Pill.

Not because of its effect on physiology per se, but because of its effect on minds and mores.

But at least the sex is great. (Cough, cough.) Right?

44 posted on 09/22/2019 1:52:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie." - Yiddish proverb)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

That’s it? That’s all ya got?


45 posted on 09/22/2019 1:53:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie." - Yiddish proverb)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Is it too Late to undo what the Birth Control Pill has Done?

You got a time machine I'm not aware of?

46 posted on 09/22/2019 1:56:11 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: gcparent
Yes, there are other causes. Not every women who is a Pill user gets cancer, and not every woman with breast cancer used to be on the Pill.

But it's undeniable that breast cancer is hormone-sensitive in a way that implicates the hormonal disruption caused by both abortion (especially of the first pregnancy) and oral contraceptives.

So 40,000 American die EVERY YEAR of breast cancer. It approaches the number of American men, total, who died in the entire, 10-year war in Vietnam.

47 posted on 09/22/2019 1:59:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie." - Yiddish proverb)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Mary Eberstadt is right and so, back in the day, was Paul VI. Not being Catholic, I have never paid much attention to papal writings, but the point that Paul VI was making was that once sex was separated from its teleological purpose, Bad Things would happen. Cats and dogs living together, etc. And here we are.

The birth control pill didn't do this alone. The abortion license also played a role. In generational terms, the two were near contemporaries, and they were certainly driven culturally and politically by the same impulse: to demoralize sex and normalize non-marital sex.

Prior to the birth control pill, the teleology of sex was unquestioned. Sex produced babies. It was important. It was consequential, with high probability. Licit sex was the foundation of families. Illicit sex was dangerous; it wrecked lives and destroyed families. Sex was powerful and not a toy. It was treated with care. Yes, people could and did cheat, but they did so at their own considerable risk.

The birth control pill then changed the game. It enabled the view that sex was primarily recreational. Casual sex was ok. You could have sex with no consequences (and the abortion license said that if you made a mistake, you could just kill it). Culture does not change overnight, but two generations later, every consequence to which Eberstadt points has indeed come to pass.

She might also have mentioned that every wealthy technological society that has embraced the pill, which is all of them, is now below replacement rate in fertility. The moderns do not regard this as a problem; they are too busy having sex to have children, and they are willing outsource this job to backward third world peoples who still make babies. Much of the left, in fact, looks down on "breeders" and is busily reengineering society as a playground for swinging singles and childless couples, with ever-increasing economic pressure on families with children.

The view of sex as primarily recreational -- i.e., forgetting the telos -- has now reached the point at which the sexual revolutionaries reject the very idea of gender and thinks it is ok for bearded penis people to invade women's locker rooms, dressing rooms and showers, because gender is really just a state of mind.

Yeah, Paul VI was right.

48 posted on 09/22/2019 2:01:09 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: GaryCrow
what libtard crapola. Not really, read it and see. The author makes some pretty good points.

I think it’s pretty hard to deny that the birth control pill has brought about sex without commitment and destabilized marriages. Whether you attribute that to bad behavior by men, by women, or by both, I think it’s pretty undeniable that it’s made promiscuity mainstream and that has led to a “coarseness” in society as the author puts it.

My first thought was Western Civilization duped into believing in the ZPG movement. Go forth and multiply changed into frolic and play when your progeny disappears from the face of the Earth. Courtesy of The Pill and evil minions who hoodwinked us in our ignorant youth.

49 posted on 09/22/2019 2:02:45 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

All forms of contraception are evil; and in particular , condoms and the pill


50 posted on 09/22/2019 2:06:14 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Today thats all I got. Tune in tomorrow for more. 😆
51 posted on 09/22/2019 2:09:28 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I don’t believe that sexual behaviour has changed that much since the pill. I think that is a hopeful belief amongst some, but history proves those who believe that we have substantially changed over time are mistaken.


52 posted on 09/22/2019 2:10:05 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Modern medicine including antibiotics, starting with penicillin, has decreased infant, childhood and early adult mortality to the point that you don’t need to parent 10 children in order to assure that two survive. This is the real economic change affecting marital stability.


53 posted on 09/22/2019 2:47:57 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: GOPJ

Well those are back big time on pickups and SUVs. Some are even automatic out when you open the door and slide back under when you close the door.


54 posted on 09/22/2019 2:54:45 PM PDT by Cold Heart (.)
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To: Caipirabob
The pill is responsible for more cases of breast cancer than anything else. When will that truth become common knowledge?!? The pill is literally death and it cannot be undone for those who find out too late.

The pill like most things had downsides and upsides. It freed a lot of women from crushing poverty. Poverty will kill you just as sure as breast cancer.

55 posted on 09/22/2019 2:59:40 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: GOPJ; Mrs. Don-o; ifinnegan; rollo tomasi
Well, it sure would be nice if ONE TIME this was issue was discussed when we weren't leading up to a Presidential election.

Considering some of the issues we are up against, YES! This election more than any other is the perfect time for Christians of every theological persuasion to look at ourselves squarely in the mirror when marveling at just far over the cliff the culture has gone. Largely with our help and complacency. Progressivism has become a monster.

To even PRETEND that “responsible” contraception has nothing to do with the sanctioning of “responsible” gay marriage, “responsible” sex changes, or “responsible” divorce, “responsible” pornography...is delusional denialism at its finest. I would even argue the contraceptive mentality fosters all this ridiculous brain-numbing environmentalism of late. (Human life being seen as an inherent liability.)

Shall we mention the plague of maladjusted, largely fatherless and sibling-less young men in middle America prone to opioid addictions or if taken to an extreme— mass shootings?

Or lonely elderly folk prone to considering euthanasia?

Contraception has consequences we can only analyze in retrospect. The cultural ramifications of toying with the *fundamentals* of God’s design for creation will take generations to unpack and reflect upon.

And even if we were having an intra-theological debate about a divisive issue like priestly celibacy, the house of GOD comes first! We don’t just pause these things due to election season...and we can still vote for the same person even as we continue to hash things out amongst ourselves. It’s vital we be this way.

56 posted on 09/22/2019 3:04:18 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: AndyJackson
“Modern medicine... to the point that you don’t need to parent 10 children in order to assure that two survive. ”

You are completely missing the point Mr. Charles Darwin. This is not about mere ‘survival’ and that wasn’t God’s point in instituting marriage and sex either.

57 posted on 09/22/2019 3:06:52 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I didn’t call you names. But folks like you and your alleged mentor love simplistic solutions to complex problems. Saves having to think.


58 posted on 09/22/2019 3:13:04 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
To even PRETEND that “responsible” contraception has nothing to do with the sanctioning of “responsible” gay marriage, “responsible” sex changes, or “responsible” divorce, “responsible” pornography...is delusional denialism at its finest. I would even argue the contraceptive mentality fosters all this ridiculous brain-numbing environmentalism of late. (Human life being seen as an inherent liability.

Did you make up this word salad, this diarrhea of ethics argumentation all by yourself, or are you plagiarizing someone else. Just curious.

59 posted on 09/22/2019 3:16:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
This is not about mere ‘survival’ and that wasn’t God’s point in instituting marriage and sex either.

So, what was "God's point" Ms know-it-all?

60 posted on 09/22/2019 3:17:34 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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