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Book Recommendation:

The Rational Bible: Genesis
The Rational Bible: Exodus
(both by Dennis Prager)

SEE ALSO: Dangerous descent- How Darwinian thought seeped into every cultural crevice, and what we can do to counter it today

1 posted on 09/19/2019 7:34:49 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander
Not that I'm an expert in science...or Theology...but I don't have a problem accepting that various creatures “progressed” over millions of years.What I do have a big problem accepting is any suggestion that this progression was haphazard and random rather than controlled,guided, step-by-step.
2 posted on 09/19/2019 7:40:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A joke: Brennan,Comey and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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To: Heartlander

I think math and science clash here. Math would prove that Darwin does not explain evolution. The survival of the fittest is true. But the speed of DNA change cannot explain evolution. Change is too slow and random for it to explain the speedy change in species.

Genesis could have happened. Just not here on earth.


3 posted on 09/19/2019 7:44:14 AM PDT by poinq
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To: Heartlander

A treatment of the topic by Rabbi Akiva Tatz, a popular traditional Jewish teacher:

https://torahdownloads.com/player.html?ShiurID=1017709


5 posted on 09/19/2019 8:04:46 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Heartlander
"...it couldn’t explain the big picture—not the fine-tuning of existing species, but the emergence of new ones."

Creationists cannot deny that adaption in species exists, because we can see it happening. What they deny is speciation--the creation of new species--because it takes too long; longer than human written history. But species don't just appear out of nowhere, or suddenly. When one group of a species migrates away from the rest, it adapts differently to the point that it can no longer breed with the rest. Then they are free to evolve along a completely different path as the others. And evolution is just adaption over a long period of time. This is why spiders and crabs are so different, even though they evolved from the same species, originally.
7 posted on 09/19/2019 8:11:37 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Heartlander

I have so many questions about “evolution”.

No, I am not a “creationist”, per se. I think I’m more along the ID path.

God COULD create things in 6 seconds, but I think the Genesis is mostly an allegory. (God would know that a “day” is relative to the Earth, and there are just so many other planets with different “days”.)

Not sure why, but I think He had a big hand in setting things in motion but sometimes tinkering.

Please explain how species gain another or lose another chromosome to become a different species. Such is not what basic biology taught us. And I think that may lie in the discussion of probability also - defectives occuring, AND being “superior” that they could mate and ultimately dominate those with “correct” chromosomes, etc.

Many, many questions.


9 posted on 09/19/2019 8:22:29 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: Heartlander

“Christianity remains at the core of contemporary Western thinking even among those who disdain it”

PRECISELY.

Ask Antifa fools and so many libs why they think “everyone is equal” and “should be treated with respect” - and ask them if those diverse people they love (and actually think are superior, not equal) in Indonesia or India or Congo or Iraq think so.


10 posted on 09/19/2019 8:25:28 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: Heartlander

“But secularism holds that the rule of reason divorced from biblical religion would banish bad things like prejudice or war from the world and the human heart.”

LOL yes, anytime some atheist claims they are better because “religion” has resulted in so much murder and mayhem, just answer them “ah yes, because atheistic communists have never murdered anyone for their cause”.


11 posted on 09/19/2019 8:29:06 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: Heartlander
These ideas were essential to the development of Western science. Early scientists believed that natural laws necessarily presupposed a law-giver. As Galileo Galilei said: “The laws of nature are written by the hand of God in the language of mathematics.”

Precisely. Look to Islam, Confucianism, Paganism, or Hinduism, if you wish to see religion that restricted science.

13 posted on 09/19/2019 8:35:30 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Heartlander

What most people do not realize is that Albert Einstein, arguably the greatest scientific mind in human history, actually makes the strongest case for the existence of God through his Theory of Relativity. The fact that space, time and matter must coexist because without any one of the three, the other two cannot exist, actually forms the basis for the premise that a force that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial must have pre-existed the creation (uh oh, there’s that word!) of space, time and matter. Given that all three must coexist, they must all have come into existence at the same instant. Hence, we now have the Big Bang. It just so happens that the spaceless, timeless and immaterial force that lit the fuse happens to be a spaceless, timeless and immaterial being, namely God. There is no other
rational explanation. So God haters, deal with it!


15 posted on 09/19/2019 9:24:41 AM PDT by Conservinator (It's okay to be close-minded IF you are right!)
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To: Heartlander

Last night, I reviewed many articles about Gelernter. I couldn’t find one that included his arguments against evolution. They just mentioned his opposition.


18 posted on 09/19/2019 9:36:36 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: All

I see evolution as God making tweaks to his project.


20 posted on 09/19/2019 9:42:43 AM PDT by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: Heartlander

To all:

http://kolbecenter.org/


24 posted on 09/19/2019 10:13:21 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: Heartlander

“There are plenty of other unsayables in our thought-policed society. Human-made global warming, for example, is considered beyond challenge because the science of that theory is said to be “settled.” This is in fact anti-science dogma because nothing is ever settled in science, which is always open to fresh challenges.”


When someone says to you, “the science is settled,” the proper response is to say, “OK, so if the science is settled, then why are you afraid to test it again? Are you afraid that the science really ISN’T settled?”


25 posted on 09/19/2019 11:38:27 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Heartlander

“The opposition between religion and science that is assumed to be fundamental by secular liberals is in fact foreign to Judaism. With so much of the Hebrew Bible interpreted over the centuries as allegory or metaphor, Judaism has never seen science as a threat.

The 12th-century Jewish sage Maimonides was the great exemplar of the belief that science and religion were complementary. He wrote that conflict between science and the Bible arose from either a lack of scientific knowledge or a defective understanding of the Bible.”


This view, that religion and science are NOT in conflict with each other, was rather brilliantly expounded in “Genesis and the Big Bang” (circa 1990, and follow-on books) by Dr. Gerald Schroeder. Schroeder is both an astro-physicist and an Orthodox Jew. He also had a chapter in his book dedicated to proving that the statistical chance of evolution occurring as the Darwinists believe is vanishingly small.

What most people miss with Darwinism is that it was never stated properly. Yes, there is survival of the fittest - but that is on the micro-evolutionary level. So, in a drought, the taller giraffes have more food to eat and they survive to pass on their genes, whereas the shorter giraffes don’t. This process repeats itself over time, resulting in very tall giraffes (and, yes, there are physical limits as to how tall they can get).

OTOH, Darwinism simply CANNOT explain how we went from inorganic matter to organic matter (Schroeder says that this is the single biggest leap of all - and that it simply could NOT have happened in multiple times the duration of the planet’s existence), nor how single-celled organisms somehow “evolved” into giraffes (or any other animal). That is the macro-evolutionary level, on which Darwinism utterly fails to explain anything - and it is the level that unfailingly (for those with open minds) points to a purposeful design.


27 posted on 09/19/2019 11:50:11 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Heartlander

With all the paper printed on this subject, there is only one use for it.... no, not fishwrap!!


29 posted on 09/19/2019 4:34:25 PM PDT by Terry L Smith (.)
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To: Heartlander

The only problem with any of the various theories of evolution is that real science doesn’t support any of them beyond the basics of survival of the fittest. It is a silly piece of sophomoric thinking that fails to provide any solid evidence for its claims.


30 posted on 09/19/2019 5:30:32 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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