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A Closer Look at the ‘Trojan Horse’ That is exFAT Inside Linux
TechRights ^ | 30 August 2019 | Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Posted on 09/04/2019 4:10:46 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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Yes, the politics of the author does come through a bit, but he has a point about MS.
1 posted on 09/04/2019 4:10:46 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 09/04/2019 4:11:09 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Microsoft loves Linux like Donald Trump loves the women whom he groped, illegally, by his very own admission.

After reading that line, I would discount every word by the author.

3 posted on 09/04/2019 4:22:03 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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Yep


4 posted on 09/04/2019 4:29:21 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Opportunities multiply as they are seized.)
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To: ShadowAce

Reading this gave me a headache. The author is talking to himself and a very small audience. MS hasn’t ever liked Linux. It took market share.


5 posted on 09/04/2019 4:42:06 AM PDT by King_Corey (Buy American - https://madeinamericastore.com/)
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While it is obvious that the author is a Liberal twit and all-around douche bag, his points about Microsoft are SPOT ON!

Unless MS releases ALL patents concerning the use of exFAT, then they will own the rights and will ultimately control Linux users.

This is a very good example of the old saying, “If you lay down with dogs, you’re going to get up with fleas.” MS is a parasite to any and all “partners” with whom they sleep!


6 posted on 09/04/2019 5:05:01 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated.)
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Reading this gave me a headache. The author is talking to himself and a very small audience. MS hasn’t ever liked Linux. It took market share.

Microsoft makes BILLIONS a year off of Linux... that's billions with a B...
7 posted on 09/04/2019 5:36:29 AM PDT by TexasGunLover
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I reacted in exactly the same way. Disingenuous, provably false, and utterly irrelevant.


8 posted on 09/04/2019 5:50:46 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-)
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To: ShadowAce
Full disclosure / background - I've been using MS products since MS-DOS 1.25. At first yeah, they were the thing, then they weren't. Over the years I have developed a serious dislike for everything MS. I trust them about as far as I could've thrown the big, clunky old PC I had that (briefly) ran Win-ME. In fact, I think I did eventually pick it up and chuck it into a dumpster.

Now my primary OS at work is RHEL. We use a few Win10 boxes for the things we absolutely have to use Win10 for by agency mandate. But primary development is on RHEL. At home I run one of several flavors of Linux and I have an Android phone. My wife, for better or worse (seems I've heard that phrase before in that context) is solidly in the Apple camp. The upshot is, we have one Win10 laptop, that actually dual-boots into Linux too. I boot Win10 about once a month or so to pick up updates. When this laptop dies, (it's a 4 year old hand-me-down as it is) I probably will not replace it with any other machine running Win10 as we no-longer seem to need it for anything.

All that said... I don't see this as a particularly nefarious move by MS. Oh, I am sure, 100% sure they are not doing this for the good of the Linux community. I do believe MS intends to gain a few things from this.

One, apparently the code for exFat is fairly ugly/crufty. They probably figure the open source community will clean that up for them and they'll incorporate it back into their own OSes.

Two, it "throws a bone" to the Linux community - for pure PR purposes. It makes them (at least on the surface) appear to be working with Linux, not against it.

Three, as I understand it they've garnered quite a bit of cash from their patents. Perhaps they're offering this up as a sacrificial lamb because they think they've just about run this cash cow into the ground?

Four, while exFat is terribly handy, it is really only useful (at least from a Linux standpoint) on thumb drives you intend to exchange with other users who are on some non-Linux box. I don't see exFat ever becoming all that important inside Linux. If MS starts making noises about patents and code now in the kernel - it'll be summarily pulled.

Five, exFat's usefulness is probably on the wane. Everyone seems to believe the Internet Of Things (IOT) is coming - with rampant IPv6 connectivity between everything with a little bit of power and room for a grain of rice sized chip. The thumb drive will go the way of the CD-ROM, floppy disk, cassette tape, etc. Who needs to transfer files via "sneaker net" when everything is connected and inter-operable? Pervasive networking will provide the transport. There is literally nothing in my house now that stores or uses data (particularly media such as photos/video/music) that isn't connected via wifi and/or bluetooth. Then only "island" is my car - a few years old now and just a commuter econo-box. It does require a thumb drive to play my music.

The upshot is, while I have no doubt MS's motives are far less than pure and are focused on what is in MS's best interests... I don't see that they can do anything to harm Linux directly with this move. They're only option would be to let exFat into Linux, then try to re-assert their patents. I believe that would be a tough sell legally, and as I mentioned, would see exFat pulled right back out to today's status-quo with hardly anyone in the Linux community noticing.

9 posted on 09/04/2019 6:00:04 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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>> Microsoft loves Linux like Donald Trump loves the women whom he groped, illegally, by his very own admission.

> After reading that line, I would discount every word by the author.

Yep. What an egregious, unnecessary, and totally irrelevant statement. Microsoft's many business sins and mistakes are its own.

Curiously, Microsoft has embraced (and has no intent to extinguish) the LBGTQWERTY movement, to the point of hoisting that movement's flag high above their headquarters. But I guess no amount of woke ass-kissing is enough for the Left.

Sheesh.

10 posted on 09/04/2019 6:04:54 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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A Closer Look at the ‘Trojan Horse’ That is exFAT Inside Linux

Reads like a rant from a leftist dweeb.

11 posted on 09/04/2019 6:05:29 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ('DEPLORABLE' Member of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy & Biden Dreg and DAMN Proud of it!.)
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My reaction was the same. A partisan cheap shot is no way to get people to take you seriously.

Let me know how the article turns out - I’m done.


12 posted on 09/04/2019 6:05:36 AM PDT by sevlex
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These idiot leftist authors don’t realize they lose all of their credibility and over half of their audience when the diss Trump and real republicans. Stopped reading at that point.


13 posted on 09/04/2019 6:14:44 AM PDT by Mogger
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Maybe he just meant Creepy Joe Biden ...


14 posted on 09/04/2019 7:11:28 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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“Microsoft loves Linux like Donald Trump loves the women whom he groped, illegally, by his very own admission.”

Well, if it is a choice between Donald Trump or Linux, I choose Donald Trump.


15 posted on 09/04/2019 7:48:53 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Excellent summary of the situation. Agreed on every point.


16 posted on 09/04/2019 7:49:39 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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Thanks. I just re-read my semi-rant and perhaps there are a couple of other things I should make clear. I don't view MS as the devil incarnate. I even go so far as to recommend people use what works for you - be that MS, Apple, Linux, etc. or some combination. For what most people mostly use computers for, any of the major players will work fine, that's why we can recommend "use what seems intuitive to you" with a clear conscious.

My frustrations and distrust of MS are just that - mine based on my experiences which are heavily colored by being a software developer. Having "grown up" programming in DOS and later Windows environments I simply much prefer to program in a Linux/POSIX environment. That gets into a whole host of reasons - a mix of technical and personal preferences - that aren't really appropriate here.

I'll make a prediction. 5 years from now I'll bet I don't even have any thumb drives in my desk drawer, and no exFat file systems anywhere to be found on my systems. I did use a thumb drive yesterday - I put a couple dozen movies on it in preparation for a trip. I could have loaded them directly on my Chromebook, but space is limited on that and I haven't gotten around to putting a high capacity microSD card in it. Prior to yesterday, I literally cannot remember the last time I used a thumb drive. I know last winter I updated the music on the thumb drive for my car. That may have been the last time - 9 months or so ago. That's really why I have a hard time attaching any nefarious motives to MS's move - I think they, like me, see the writing on the wall, exFat's importance is on the way out.

17 posted on 09/04/2019 8:25:13 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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Thanks ShadowAce.

18 posted on 09/04/2019 12:34:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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^


19 posted on 09/04/2019 12:45:57 PM PDT by rdb3 (Shorter of breath, and one day closer to death.)
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Yep... I knew it... NEVER TRUST MICROSOFT!!! EVER!


20 posted on 09/06/2019 1:13:35 PM PDT by Openurmind
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