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On this date in 1864

Posted on 09/03/2019 5:05:43 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

President Abraham Lincoln receives a telegram from General Sherman stating "Atlanta is ours, and fairly won"


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To: MattMusson

Captain Doubleday reported to Major Anderson at Fort Moultrie. It was Anderson that ordered the U.S. troops relocated to Sumter


41 posted on 09/03/2019 7:48:04 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DoodleDawg

Except that the Army troops were under the command of William Anderson

Actually that would be Major Robert Anderson.


42 posted on 09/03/2019 7:51:58 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

I stand corrected.


43 posted on 09/03/2019 7:54:47 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg; central_va

> If it [state secession] is not prohibited by the Constitution then there is no reason why it is not permissible. <

That is a very good argument, especially if the 10th Amendment is considered as well. But as I noted earlier, it would have been nice had the Founders removed all doubt.

By the way, is anyone aware of anything the Founders might have written on this issue? Anything in their private papers, etc.?


44 posted on 09/03/2019 8:01:41 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Bull Snipe

Actually Hitler had no direct dealing with Signal magazine. It was published by the Propaganda Command of the Wehrmacht.
General Hasso von Wedel commanding.


45 posted on 09/03/2019 8:02:09 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Leaning Right

William Rawles had such a view of the Constitution, if that counts.


46 posted on 09/03/2019 8:11:55 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Bull Snipe
The author of the piece I'm looking at is Walter Kiaulehn. "Signal" was , admittedly, a propaganda rag aimed primarily at the German armed forces. The piece focuses on The Anaconda System of Warfare and singles out Sherman's correspondence as being counter to notions of conventional military thought and the civilized prosecution of war.
47 posted on 09/03/2019 8:20:41 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: Rappini

Surely trade between the two countries...North and South...would have continued.


48 posted on 09/03/2019 8:22:45 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: servantboy777
Oh, you're right about the war. I'm Alabamian. Very few whites owned slaves. The planter class were the 1%'ers.

But you said: Sherman in today's America would have been labeled a fascist, bigot, racist, Nazi.

In today's America--that is, the SJW's America, Sherman would have been a hero to THEM, because he fought the so-called (again by them) Slave Power.

That's the only thing I was challenging.

49 posted on 09/03/2019 8:22:55 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: Bull Snipe

Well, yeah, and Obama had no idea what Lois Lerner was up to over at IRS.


50 posted on 09/03/2019 8:26:05 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: gundog

Signal magazine was not distributed to German troops. It was published in 30 languages for distribution in Europe, South America, North America etc.

“singles out Sherman’s correspondence as being counter to notions of conventional military thought and the civilized prosecution of war.”

Of course the Germans would never done anything that was not a civilized prosecution of war.


51 posted on 09/03/2019 8:30:24 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: gundog

Does Trump know what is in Naval Institute Proceedings.


52 posted on 09/03/2019 8:31:25 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Leaning Right
That is a very good argument, especially if the 10th Amendment is considered as well. But as I noted earlier, it would have been nice had the Founders removed all doubt.

As John Marshall pointed out in the McCullough v. Maryland decision: "A Constitution, to contain an accurate detail of all the subdivisions of which its great powers will admit, and of all the means by which they may be carried into execution, would partake of the prolixity of a legal code, and could scarcely be embraced by the human mind...Its nature, therefore, requires that only its great outlines should be marked, its important objects designated, and the minor ingredients which compose those objects be deduced from the nature of the objects themselves. That this idea was entertained by the framers of the American Constitution is not only to be inferred from the nature of the instrument, but from the language. Why else were some of the limitations found in the 9th section of the 1st article introduced? It is also in some degree warranted by their having omitted to use any restrictive term which might prevent its receiving a fair and just interpretation."

By the way, is anyone aware of anything the Founders might have written on this issue? Anything in their private papers, etc.?

There are a several letters from James Madison written in the 1820's where he said a proper secession requires the consent of the other states.

53 posted on 09/03/2019 8:40:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: servantboy777

You lost causers always leave the last paragraph of that letter out for some reason. I wonder why?
“I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.”

That last paragraph puts Lincoln morally above every leader in the confederacy.


54 posted on 09/03/2019 9:39:51 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: central_va

It’s also not constitutional. In fact the constitution says nothing about how stares leave the Union. It does talk about how they join, with the permission of congress.
It also states that the constitution is the supreme law of the land.


55 posted on 09/03/2019 9:43:45 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: Leaning Right

James Madison wrote during the nullification crisis that secession was not allowed. I’m not at home right now but when I get there I’ll post his letter.


56 posted on 09/03/2019 9:54:45 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: Leaning Right

If they had included a no out clause then no states would have ratified it(USC).


57 posted on 09/03/2019 10:00:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

That’s undoubtably true. And if we hadn’t joined forces and ratified we would have been overrun by our enemies and never survived as a nation. The only chance we had was if we could suspend our differences and band together as allies. So the Founders kicked the can down the road and relied on our “better angels” to hold it together.

Can you imagine if the Founders had said, “Let’s imagine all the ways we can take offense at one another and codify them so that it will be easy to rip the nation apart”?


58 posted on 09/03/2019 11:33:02 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: OIFVeteran

Study up pal.
Lincoln believed the freed black slaves would have a difficult time assimilating into the American society.

Lincoln argued that the founding fathers’ phrase “All men are created equal” applied to blacks and whites alike, this did not mean he thought they should have the same social and political rights.

Abraham Lincoln ‘wanted to deport slaves’ to new colonies.
He wanted to ship freed black slaves away from the US to British colonies in the Caribbean even in the final months of his life, it has emerged.

The great emancipator supported this plan back when he served in the Senate...up until the day he died.


59 posted on 09/03/2019 1:12:12 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Bull Snipe

As per the intro to the book, “Signal’s” distribution in Germany was largely the troops.


60 posted on 09/03/2019 1:16:11 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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