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1 posted on 08/28/2019 7:21:47 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: The progressives have so erased history that they are now stepping in what they don't know and making a mockery of themselves

2 posted on 08/28/2019 7:24:10 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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I’m sorry. I couldn’t read past “agree on with”.


4 posted on 08/28/2019 7:30:17 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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Just a FYI, Lincoln did not free THE slaves, just those of states in armed rebellion with the US.

*There were exceptions for some Parasish in Lousinana and for now W Virginia.

6 posted on 08/28/2019 7:46:16 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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I’m southern and I have the family Bible from the 1823 where handwritten notes from then through the war stated distaste of slavery. For one, the slaves were cheap labor, taking jobs the poor southerners desired.


7 posted on 08/28/2019 7:48:46 PM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!)
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Bump


8 posted on 08/28/2019 7:57:31 PM PDT by foreverfree
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P4l


9 posted on 08/28/2019 8:02:14 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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I have been a Civil War reenactor for 20 plus years. I belong to a Confederate artillery unit made up a mix of descendants of confederates and like me some Yankee intruders.

There are the occasional disagreements about whether slavery was the cause or was it purely economic.

My standard go to (I admit a futile attempt most times) is to ask if there would have been a Civil War if there had been no slavery from the beginning of America.

This will start an argument every time.

On another note, we are seeing the influx of a culture and religion that has engaged in slavery for more that a thousand years; even to this day in Africa. I shudder to think what will happen in the future if this ideology wins out here. We may yet see the results in Europe first.

10 posted on 08/28/2019 8:10:13 PM PDT by Cannoneer ("Liberty means responsibility, that is why most men dread it." Geo B Shaw)
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Amen! Slavery was in contradiction to the principles of the Declaration of Independence and that was the subject of the Lincoln-Douglas debates.


11 posted on 08/28/2019 8:14:18 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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This is very hard to read. Translation, anyone?


13 posted on 08/28/2019 8:20:52 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Please, oh pretty please let Crazy Uncle Joe Biden be the nominee.)
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This is going to be fun to watch.


14 posted on 08/28/2019 8:21:21 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Ah yes here we trot out the tired old “Cornerstone” speech by the powerless Vice President of the Confederacy while completely ignoring the fact that the actual president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis said the exact opposite of Stephens. Not only was there not a lineage break from the Constitution to the Confederacy, the truth is exactly the opposite. It was the Confederates who wanted to essentially preserve the balance between the states and the federal government the states delegated some of their sovereign powers to that the Founding Fathers had created. It was Lincoln and the Radical Republicans of the time who wanted to overthrow the balanced system the Founding Fathers created in favor of a much more centralized system of government that we have now....to our cost.

There was indeed hostility to slave trading at the outset though it must be noted that the slave trade and slavery though related are two different things. A 20 year sunset provision to allow the slave trade to continue was added to the constitution at the insistence of the numerous and powerful New England slave traders. Illicit slave trading was carried out by Northern slave traders right up until the mid 19th century. It was in fact one of the largest industries in the Northern states. An estimated two slave ships per month were being built and outfitted in NYC well into the 19th century.

The whole 1619 project of the Old Grey Lady is of course pure historical fallacy. Slavery existed before 1619 in what is now the United States. It was far from only Whites who participated in it and it is far from only Blacks who were enslaved. Slavery was the norm the world over at that time. Not unusual. Not unique to North America. The Norm. Everywhere. It was a simple fact of life, not the basis of everything in North America from that date on as the Racist New York Times would have it.


17 posted on 08/29/2019 12:05:11 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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A very interesting take.

This, too, is a must-read.

https://www.wnd.com/2010/09/209597/


20 posted on 08/29/2019 3:57:28 AM PDT by golux
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The founders put a deliberate protection for slavery into the US Constitution. (Article IV, section 2.)

Lincoln tried to get the Corwin Amendment passed, which would protect slavery indefinitely.

Lincoln might have been against slavery, but not as much as he was in favor of controlling the economic output of the South.

He was completely willing to keep slavery so long as it left Washington DC in control of the 230 million dollars per year the South was producing, and which was funding 73% of all Federal taxes.

26 posted on 08/29/2019 8:20:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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Here we go again.


38 posted on 08/29/2019 10:48:10 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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