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To: granada

There was a plan of alliance after a Spanish civil war between USSR, France and UK to join forces in case of Nazi attack on any of the above.
Poland was a Nazi ally complicit in dismembering Czechoslovakia at the time and refused a transit rights to the Soviet army in case of such event.
Then France and UK decided Hitler would leave them alone and would be busy in East Europe establishing ‘Lebenstraum’.
At this point Stalin had two choices. To attack Germany all alone and to become a condemned aggressor or appeasement. It was too obvious to do the very same everyone else were doing.
The universal condemnation of Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact is a result of Limey and Frog butthurt. They didn’t deserve to get attacked for their appeasement!
Poland wasn’t that fluffy little kitten it tries to portray itself.
I have a deep respect towards Polish people but there are moments in the past they should be ashamed of.


12 posted on 08/25/2019 8:34:13 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
Poland was a Nazi ally complicit in dismembering Czechoslovakia at the time and refused a transit rights to the Soviet army in case of such event.

Horseshit.

14 posted on 08/25/2019 8:40:43 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: NorseViking
poland wasntat any point a nazi ally.

It shouldn't have RE-taken CIeszyn from Czechia when Czechia was dismembered but it didn't take it as a German ally nor did it take more than what the Czechs took from it 20 years earlier.

In 1919, the area around Cieszyn was mixed Polish and Czech -- now both peoples are very, very close culturally and the languages are somewhat mutually intelligible -- and in Cieszyn the languages were not standard Czech or Polish but closer to each other.

About half of the people "felt" Polish and the other half "felt" Czech but nearly all of them felt "Cieszyn" :)

After WWI the two communities got together and decided on a kind of shared governance and both languages respected and THE LOCALS were happy. The Polish government reluctantly agreed, but the Czech didn't. When Poland was occupied with the Polish-Soviet war of 1920 (when Poland held back the communist hordes), Czechia took all of Cieszyn.

NOTE:This isn't to portray Czechia as some kind of monster and Polska as an angel - rather, in the post WWI world, everyone was arguing over what land was "theirs" when truly speaking a lot of people had EQUAL rights to the lands - especially for two fraternal people like poles and czechs

so Poland "took back" Cieszyn in 1938. This was WRONG - Poland looked like an accomplice, and lost PR and it was like kicking a brother when he is attacked by the enemy (arguably one could say the same was done by Czechia in 1920)

Since 1945 the area is jointly held by both countries and since joining the EU, there is free movement of people across the theoretical border. If this has been let to happen in 1920 a lot of problems wouldn't have hapened

21 posted on 08/25/2019 10:50:53 PM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: NorseViking
And Poland wasn't the fluffy kitten -- I find it necessary as an outsider to also point out to Poles with a victim complex (mostly nationalist Poles) that Poland before 1700 was a dominant power, it actually conquered Moscow and burned it and Russians actually have a national holiday for "when we kicked out the Poles in 1611" :) -- it definitely wasn't a saint, but it wasn't a Nazi or Soviet ally and it wasn't complicit in their crimes. It had and has other shortcomings
22 posted on 08/25/2019 10:53:05 PM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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