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The 1519 Project: How Early Spanish Explorers Took Down A Mass-Murdering Indigenous Cult
The Federalist ^ | 08/22/2019 | Adam Mill

Posted on 08/22/2019 7:27:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: livius

They also wiped them out because those Indians were Catholics - anti-clericalism being very much a “thing” among the early Protestant settlers of North America. (To be fair, the Spaniards did they same thing to the Protestant settlements that encroached onto their territory.) But the English settlers won out in the North and drove the Spaniards out. Those Indians of whom you speak turned out to be ‘collateral damage’.

Funny true story. My best friend’s wife’s father is from Argentine (and, at 92, is still going strong). Here was his take on the matter: Speaking disparagingly of Central Americans and Brazilians, he once told me: “They married their Indians - we Argentines wiped ours out!” *LOL*


21 posted on 08/22/2019 9:16:39 AM PDT by Simon Foxx
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To: akalinin

The ignorance of true history sometimes astounds me and makes me shake my head in absolute disbelief. “God wills it” has killed more than any other statement ever made in history, yet it is not also a savage concept.


22 posted on 08/22/2019 9:43:22 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: dp0622

Replacing the mythology of the Noble Savage with the mythology of the Noble Hispanic fits the democrat population replacement agenda better.


23 posted on 08/22/2019 9:48:54 AM PDT by null and void (Heaven has an impenetrable wall, and a welcoming gate for those qualified, Hell is wide open.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now we know where the meat for the original tacos came from. They didn’t have cows, pigs, chickens, goats, sheep or horses. They did have dogs and surplus people.


24 posted on 08/22/2019 10:02:29 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Openurmind
The ignorance of true history sometimes astounds me and makes me shake my head in absolute disbelief. “God wills it” has killed more than any other statement ever made in history, yet it is not also a savage concept.

Your crap opinion, not mine. I see the forest for the trees. Your mileage may vary.
25 posted on 08/22/2019 10:18:50 AM PDT by farming pharmer
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To: JonPreston
" I think they're full of crap myself. "

Much of what is taught about pre-Columbian native America is crap. It was a stone age world immersed in brutal Darwinian societies that were constantly at war with each other.

26 posted on 08/22/2019 10:19:25 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: SeekAndFind

Regardless of motivation, getting rid of the Aztecs was a good thing. No peace with murder cults.


27 posted on 08/22/2019 10:33:40 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: SeekAndFind

In hindsight, as human beings we are compelled to resist and dismantle inhuman anti-life cultures and cults. They are not in any way compatible with basic humanitarian concepts and anyone who sustains or participated in said abomination should be rehabilitated if possible, disabled from harming another human if not.

Cortez, though motivates by greed and lust did all of humanity this one favor in crushing the abomination of Aztec human sacrifice.

I say this with difficulty though, as in my own family many have ancestors who were slaughtered by the conquistadors when they brought the inquisition to the Americas.


28 posted on 08/22/2019 12:27:42 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Eagles6

That’s textbook tactics though. If you can’t overcome a superior force, ally with the minority faction and fight. The “stealing the flag” thing sounds a bit confabulated though.


29 posted on 08/22/2019 12:54:44 PM PDT by ichabod1 (He's a vindictive SOB but he's *our* vindictive SOB.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Cortez was a piker compared to Pizzaro.

No kidding

I think Pizzaro was 65

when he conquered the Incas.

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30 posted on 08/22/2019 12:57:11 PM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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To: infool7
The main story I remember about Pizzaro is that he had an Inca King collected him a huge amount of gold and then killed him anyway.

With Cortez, there was nastiness on both sides.

31 posted on 08/22/2019 1:04:35 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: marktwain

Cortez had 1000s of Indian allies who hated the Aztecs so it wasn’t just him and a few caballeros.

Another interesting thing about the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs is a direct descendant of Montezuma survives to this day as part of the Spanish nobility. Also the Spanish ennobled several of the caciques of his Indian allies. Their descendants are also in today’s Spanish nobility.

Near as I can tell Pizarro wasn’t so accommodating!


32 posted on 08/22/2019 1:04:39 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Simon Foxx

Everthing was fine Before the White Man Came with their poisoned blankets and stuff and stolt all the land. But Cortez was HISPANIC so it’s really ok.


33 posted on 08/22/2019 1:07:26 PM PDT by ichabod1 (He's a vindictive SOB but he's *our* vindictive SOB.)
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To: Reily

Duke of Moctezuma de Tultengo

Duke of Moctezuma de Tultengo (Spanish: Duque de Moctezuma de Tultengo) is a hereditary title of Spanish nobility held by a line of descendants of Emperor Moctezuma II, the ninth Tlatoani, or ruler, of Tenochtitlan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Moctezuma_de_Tultengo


34 posted on 08/22/2019 1:07:41 PM PDT by Reily
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To: ichabod1

Yeah. But remember, those Aztecs were quite caught up in their pagan religion


35 posted on 08/22/2019 1:37:00 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Louis Foxwell

Thank you, will read with interest.


36 posted on 08/22/2019 2:37:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (When we do not punish evildoers we are ripping the foundations of justice from future generations.)
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To: marktwain
The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico by Bernal Diaz, a review. From the review:
The Diaz account is the best history book that I have read. It has all the advantage of a first person account and reads like a well written adventure novel.

They were a tough bunch to be sure. Diaz talks of a "Captain Sandoval being wounded seven times but only one was serious, where air leaked from his chest."

Apparently the preferred method of treating wounds was to sear it first, then coat it with grease. After one battle, they ran out of grease, so they cut open some of the dead Indians and used their body fat instead.

37 posted on 08/22/2019 2:58:27 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: fella
Much of what is taught about pre-Columbian native America is crap. It was a stone age world immersed in brutal Darwinian societies that were constantly at war with each other.

Precisely so.

It was worse in Australia.

There, they were constantly at war with one another, but did not have agriculture, domestic animals (arguably, even their dogs were not domesticated, just camp followers), pottery,the bow, cloth, or any metal.

Not surprisingly, there was plenty of cannibalism. I think cannibalism was less prevalent in the Americas. It is very hard to measure. It was prevalent in Central and South America.

38 posted on 08/22/2019 3:24:43 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Reily

Pizzaro was Cortez’ second cousin. He learned from Cortez and was even more ruthless.


39 posted on 08/22/2019 3:32:38 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I wonder if Pizarro would have made the attempt without the example of Cortez?


40 posted on 08/22/2019 3:34:25 PM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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