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Was Napoleon the greatest film never made? [Kubrick] [ed]
BBC ^ | August 15, 2019 | Nicholas Barber

Posted on 08/15/2019 1:45:47 PM PDT by C19fan

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To: Sirius Lee
What about Alejandro Jodorowsky's Napoleon starring a chimpanzee monkey?


41 posted on 08/15/2019 4:20:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Commitee)
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To: morphing libertarian

What about QTarantino’s remake of Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill! starring Britney Spears?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/2509196/Britney-Spears-to-play-lesbian-killer-in-Quentin-Tarantino-film.html


42 posted on 08/15/2019 4:24:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Commitee)
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To: a fool in paradise

The Britny needs a hand up


43 posted on 08/15/2019 4:30:45 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Bullish

The other thing that bothers me about the movie is the location filming in England. I can’t get passed it because it looks nothing like America, and the American backdrop is crucial to the novel.


44 posted on 08/15/2019 4:30:51 PM PDT by CaptainK ('No collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker')
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To: Jolla

A very under rated movie at the time. Probably still is.


45 posted on 08/15/2019 4:43:49 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: C19fan
Waterloo was great but couldn't be made today. Too many extras and they'd probably resort to CGI which would ruin it.

Not every Kubrick movie was great. I loved 2001 at the time and was amazed by the special effects, terrific for the time. I showed it to my adult kids a few years ago and they wondered what I liked about it. Way, way too slow. Relied on the special effects to cover for a plot that plodded. Did not age well.

46 posted on 08/15/2019 5:04:06 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: CaptainK

It was filmed in England? I didn’t know that.

One thing Kubrick did was he put the end part of the book as the very first scene of his adaptation. That didn’t work at all for those who had read the novel. Kubrick was known for taking liberties like that and in my opinion, it would have been much better to try and keep the film rich with the source material, as the end part of that novel is the absolute best part and he put it out of chronological order to try to be edgy and different. Doesn’t work for me.

While we’re talking about it, Shelly Winters was very good as the wife in that film.


47 posted on 08/15/2019 5:51:45 PM PDT by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man.)
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To: CaptainK

Didn’t Osborne pass away recently or am I thinking of someone else. ?


48 posted on 08/15/2019 6:10:32 PM PDT by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I too saw it with a full orchestra, but didn’t know that they found more footage. I wonder if it is available on Blu-ray disc. I would really like to see it again.


49 posted on 08/15/2019 6:12:11 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: Bullish

Yes he did pass recently. But he made the comments about Lolita while he was alive.


50 posted on 08/15/2019 6:25:12 PM PDT by CaptainK ('No collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker')
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To: Bullish

Shelly Winters used her annoying mannerisms to perfection. It may be her best performance.


51 posted on 08/15/2019 6:27:57 PM PDT by CaptainK ('No collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker')
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To: C19fan

There were a number of areas in which my mostly excellent education was deficient.

The importance of Napoleon was one of them.


52 posted on 08/15/2019 6:33:45 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Yes, there is Blu-ray of the restored Napoleon, but is a British Region B Blu-ray that will only play on Region B players (USA players are Region A). I have a player that was modified to play all regions and have the Blu-ray. I believe the running time of the version I saw in 1982 (which was released on VHS and laserdisc) was 235 minutes. The current version on the Blu-ray is 332 minutes.

The British version does not have Coppola's score. It has a score by Carl Davis. Davis is a veteran composer of music for silent films, and he has done splendid scores for Keaton and Lloyd comedies and dramas like The Big Parade. His score is primarily arrangements of music by classical composers like Beethoven and Mozart. Davis's score was used when the film was restored and shown back in the early 80's. I actually prefer Coppola's score. It was kind of cartoonish, but the movie is a bit cartoonish at times. I know there are plans for a USA Blu-ray release. I don't know if it will include Coppola's score. It would require some re-recording to fit scenes that are now longer than they originally were, and would need music to cover the new scenes that have been added.

An added feature of the Blu-ray is that the three screen tryptich can be watched alone on three TVs and three Blu-ray players. One of the discs has the left side of the tryptich, one the middle and one the right. Presumably, it would recreate on one's home theater the sensation of seeing it on the big screen without having to letterbox the tryptich. I have no idea how one is supposed to synch three players as this is something I will never do. Still, it's a cool feature for some.

You can see some screenshots that show how they have cleaned up the film HERE.

53 posted on 08/15/2019 7:58:29 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (If it weren't for fake hate crimes, there would be no hate crimes at all.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Thanx


54 posted on 08/15/2019 8:04:23 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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I saw it years ago as well. It toured for a while. It was well made but the subject matter wasn’t my cup of tea. It was a bit like the Battleship Potemkin. Well done but glorifying communist revolution again wasn’t for me.


55 posted on 08/15/2019 8:05:14 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Sans-Culotte
If memory serves, Francis Ford Coppola owns the rights to the film in the US, through Zoetrope, and will only approve releasing a DVD here if his father's score is used.

Since more of the film has been discovered since the early
80s, that makes things a bit problematic.

There have been three scores written for it: Davis’, Coppola's and Arthur Honegger’s (for the first screenings in the 20s.)

56 posted on 08/15/2019 8:43:50 PM PDT by decal (I'm not rude, I don't suffer fools is all.)
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To: decal
It would not be tough to adjust the Carmine Coppola score for longer versions of scenes for which music has been already composed. Most of Coppola's compositions were sort of open-ended loops in which the music would run and repeat and when the scene ended, he'd go to the coda.

The difficulty would be new scenes. I still have not watched all of the Blu-ray (even though I have had it for a couple of years), so I am not sure how much is new material. There are several scenes involving the daughter of Tristan Fleury (the guy who is a cook during the Brienne scenes and who chews up some documents to save Bonaparte during the Reign of terror). She basically worships Bonaparte and has a little shrine to him. Her scenes are not all that great, IMO, but I imagine they would require a new theme as the "love theme" that Coppola composed would be reserved for Josephine. They will either have to come up with a new theme from another composer, or use an existing classical piece (Coppola used a few classical pieces in his original score just as Davis does).

Maybe I can make my way through the whole film this weekend. I keep putting it off. Watching silent movies can be tiring, because you cannot take your eyes of the picture and follow it as you can with a sound film.

57 posted on 08/16/2019 8:13:13 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (If it weren't for fake hate crimes, there would be no hate crimes at all.)
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To: windcliff

ping


58 posted on 08/16/2019 9:24:17 AM PDT by stylecouncilor (Dreg of Society)
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To: Inyo-Mono
I did manage to watch the first part of the Napoleon Blu-ray this weekend, from the beginning through his escape from Corsica (The First Epoch). It ran 1 hour 53 minutes. The previous version on laserdisc (the Coppola version) ran 1 hour and 59 minutes from the beginning through the Siege of Toulon. So this version is considerably longer. There are extra scenes, and some scenes begin and end more smoothly witout abrupt cuts. One significant sequence that was added showed Napoleon's family making their escape though the Corsican maquis.

I also compared the look of the earlier release with the new one. It is truly night and day. The Blu-ray looks exactly like the screenshots in the link I posted earlier. The old version was rather crude-looking, with many shots so faded they had almost no gray in the frames. Many scenes in the original release are cobbled together from several sources, so the quality varies from shot to shot in some scenes. In this new version, there is no jumping from source to source. I don't know how they did it. I know there was a lot of digital work done, but they must have found more 35 mm source material than was available back around 1980. The movie looks like 35 mm throughout.

The Copppola version was also sped up a bit back in 1980. It had to do with keeping the running time under 4 hours so that New Yorkers could still catch mass transit in order to get home from Radio City Music Hall. This version uses the correct frame speed, so some of the increase in running time has to do with that. Tonight I am going to try to find time for the Seige of Toulon sequence.

59 posted on 08/19/2019 6:36:13 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (If it weren't for fake hate crimes, there would be no hate crimes at all.)
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