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GM, Volkswagen Say Goodbye to Hybrid Vehicles
WSJ ^ | 13 Aug 2019 | Mike Colias

Posted on 08/12/2019 7:35:28 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: dfwgator

How is a Prius different from a Porcupine?

With a Porcupine, the pricks are on the outside.


121 posted on 08/12/2019 10:29:02 AM PDT by Veto! (Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me))
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To: Veto!

122 posted on 08/12/2019 10:29:58 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: CedarDave

YOU should run for Gov of NM, CD.

I would invest in your state, if you were to win. :-)


123 posted on 08/12/2019 10:32:13 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

That was a quote from the Waj comments.

Prius have been in production for over twenty years.
Consumer Reports and others have compared the performance high mile used with new of the same year. Minimal loss.

“...So we hooked up a 2002 Toyota Prius with nearly 208,000 miles on the clock to our testing instruments and compared the results to the nearly identical 2001 Prius we tested 10 years ago.

Conclusion: We found very little difference in performance when we tested fuel economy and acceleration”

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/the-200-000-mile-question-how-does-the-toyota-prius-hold-up/index.htm


124 posted on 08/12/2019 10:33:39 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: GOPJ

Are you saying taxpayers aren’t getting those breaks anymore?

Depends on the manufacturer, Tesla is about used up.

Buyers of qualifying plug-in electric vehicles (EVs) may be
able to claim a federal income tax credit of up to $7,500.
The tax credit phases out once a vehicle manufacturer has
sold 200,000 qualifying vehicles. Tesla and GM have
reached this threshold, and credits for Tesla and GM
vehicles will begin phasing out in 2019.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/IF11017.pdf


125 posted on 08/12/2019 10:38:12 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: Mouton

Blaming cars when China has no scrubber dirty coal plants.


126 posted on 08/12/2019 10:39:27 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Veto!

With a Porcupine, the pricks are on the outside.

As a Prius driver, you may call me anything but late to lunch.

Very thick hide, head too.


127 posted on 08/12/2019 10:41:52 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: Moonman62

Sorry, but I am not, there are about 170,000 gas stations in the US, each with an average of 8 pumps...

There are a TOTAL of something like 16,000 install charging units in the US...

more than 1 Million gas pumps, vs 16k charging stations... Many of which, that the classify as public are actually like where I work in a paid private parking garage.

That’s a fact... I am not wrong.


128 posted on 08/12/2019 10:46:04 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: editor-surveyor

Were they taxed sufficiently to offset their hazards, nobody would buy them anyway.

A difficult weekend?

Usually, a conservative would go with...
‘The best government is that which governs least’?

I have heard that a deep breath pure oxygen will alleviate the symptoms?


129 posted on 08/12/2019 10:49:19 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: Magnum44

One afternoon, about 30 minutes after closing my shop I caught someone sitting their car backed up to the front of my shop. It was a kid plugged in recharging a hybrid, he was stealing power without permission. After hitting him up about it he admitted to me that he was going across country and had been stealing power this way from closed service stations, fast food restaurants, and motels the whole way. So now this lack of range and availability raises to another whole realm of theft in the future.


130 posted on 08/12/2019 10:52:22 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: HamiltonJay

There are a TOTAL of something like 16,000 install charging units in the US...

Not counting receptacles in most garages, for charging as you sleep.


131 posted on 08/12/2019 10:54:07 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So, while you are driving 600 miles, your plan is to what? Pull into a strangers garage to plug in?

Sorry folks, the infrastructure is NOT there for electric and isn’t going to be there anytime soon, even if they solve the pragmatic charging issues.

Its a niche vehicle option for commuters, nothing more.. and won’t be for a good while.


132 posted on 08/12/2019 10:56:09 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Caterpillar has been making the D7E hybrid for few years now, and they have been very well received in the real world. It’s a diesel engine cranking an alternator which in powers two electric motors (one for each track) at the rear of the dozer.

This arrangement allows the engine to run in a very efficient sweet RPM range all the time saving fuel. Cycle times are improved with the very quick but smooth transition from forward to reverse. Then there’s the ancillary benefits of no torque converter and transmission with all their oil and service intervals to mess with. And being an “electric-centric” design, the cooling fan is now run via and electric motor doing away with drive belts.

Nephew is a field tech at a CAT dealership and seems to be the in-house expert on the D7E. He says the pipeline contractors love them to death. I think CAT has just introduced the D6 hybrid which is a tad smaller than the 7. They also have a hybrid crawler hoe and wheel loader, the 988K XE.

Most all of the larger off-highway mining trucks are diesel over electric drive.

Electric motors are just neat beasts.


133 posted on 08/12/2019 11:11:40 AM PDT by EMI_Guy ("You have to slow down to go fast." - Kenny Roberts)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
And I can outrace any Mustang or Camero out there.

Maybe for the first 50 feet or so..

134 posted on 08/12/2019 11:12:27 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: HamiltonJay

So, while you are driving 600 miles, your plan is to what? Pull into a strangers garage to plug in?

Perhaps you are fortunate enough to constantly be on vacation? Most fly. And never did I ever drive 600 miles for work?
We drove our Suburban for our Alaska highway trip.

Table 5b. Trends in the Average Person Trip Length by Trip Purpose
https://nhts.ornl.gov/assets/2017_nhts_summary_travel_trends.pdf

the infrastructure is NOT there for electric

Check out the difference between daytime and overnight demand, do not forget to factor in a diversity factor.
Overnight is slow charging, easy on the battery, less load than my wife’s hairdryer.

a niche vehicle option for commuters
Good! you are learning!!! op. cit.


135 posted on 08/12/2019 11:20:25 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: EMI_Guy

D7E hybrid for few years now...

New to me, thanks!

Regenerative braking?


136 posted on 08/12/2019 11:23:09 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I highly doubt your numbers. What are you using, $10 gallon gas and 1cent electricity?


137 posted on 08/12/2019 11:26:49 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!)
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To: HamiltonJay

Every person who charges in their garage or at work has a charging station that isn’t counted in your numbers.

90% of recharges are at home or at work.


138 posted on 08/12/2019 11:26:53 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: CodeToad

I highly doubt your numbers.

Not my numbers and I think he missed a step.


139 posted on 08/12/2019 11:29:10 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Seems so. A locomotive uses a diesel powered engine driving a generator to power the traction (electric) motors at the axles. For years diesel powered subs when snorkeling or surfaced did the same thing. Diesels powering a generator to power an electric motor powering the prop (diesel electric mode). So there must be advantages when powering really big rigs.

Nonetheless I doubt I see such application in even most RV rigs. The addition of a large generator would probably add several thousand pounds. Mine has a GVW rating of about 30000 pounds and sucks petrol like there is no tomorrow. I doubt there would be any net improvement in efficiency—so it must come into play at really big numbers. ??


140 posted on 08/12/2019 11:33:07 AM PDT by whistleduck (arpoon)
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