[DiogenesLamp]

The man fights a war to preserve the Union

Which he explicitly had no right to do since our own nation was founded on God given right to independence.

He did not really care about preserving the Union. What he cared about is preserving the New York POWER CORRIDOR control of Southern economic output. That's why he and they supported and passed the Corwin amendment, making slavery effectively permanent and unassailable.

Lincoln offered to let all the initial seceded states go if Virginia would pledge to remain, so no, despite all the hype that has been spread about "preserving the Union", Lincoln was willing to see it break up so long as he kept power over the more significant portion of it.

and them orders the salves freed.

Which only a dictator could do. US Law protected the rights of slave owners to own slaves. Ordering them freed was defiance of existing law.

He also did not order them freed out of the milk of human kindness. He ordered them freed to give him political power by disenfranchising all the whites, and granting voting rights to all the blacks. This is how his party got even more power.

It's always about money and power. It is *NEVER* about morality, kindness, or decency. Washington DC is about forcing money out of everyone to be used for the benefit of the wealthy and privileged who are connected to the system of governance.

Tax and Spend Liberal Lincoln was the man who broke our system of governance.

[jmacusa]

Oh shut up.

[rockrr]

Once again, spoken like a true (and avid) anti-American.

[BroJoeK]

jmacusa: "The man fights a war to preserve the Union"

DiogenesLamp: "Which he explicitly had no right to do since our own nation was founded on God given right to independence. "

Which Lincoln had a constitutional duty to do since the US was attacked by a military force "too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the Marshals by law".

DiogenesLamp: "He did not really care about preserving the Union.
What he cared about is preserving the New York POWER CORRIDOR control of Southern economic output. "

This is just one place where DiogenesLamp's semi-rational arguments careen into blithering insanity.
In fact, Lincoln from Illinois was chosen by Republicans in 1860 precisely because he did not have ties to such Eastern "power brokers".

DiogenesLamp: "Lincoln offered to let all the initial seceded states go if Virginia would pledge to remain, "

And here DiogenesLamp resorts to bald-faced lies to force his "logic" to work.
In fact (according to some) Lincoln offered to surrender Fort Sumter in exchange for Virginians' permanent adjournment of their secession convention -- "a fort for a state is a good deal", Lincoln reportedly said.

jmacusa: "and them orders the salves freed. "

DiogenesLamp: "Which only a dictator could do.
US Law protected the rights of slave owners to own slaves.
Ordering them freed was defiance of existing law. "

More lies. US law did not protect states in rebellion.

DiogenesLamp: "He also did not order them freed out of the milk of human kindness.
He ordered them freed to give him political power by disenfranchising all the whites, and granting voting rights to all the blacks.
This is how his party got even more power. "

A happy coincidence of the "milk of human kindness", Republican ideological commitment to anti-slavery policies, protection of Constitutional government and political self interests.

DiogenesLamp: "It's always about money and power.
It is *NEVER* about morality, kindness, or decency. "

Only in the minds of political nihilists like DiogenesLamp.
To normal conservative Americans there is always more morality, kindness and decency than mere Marxist dialectical materialism.