[DiogenesLamp]

Very true. Though every once and awhile they will slip and admit that slavery did have something to do with it.

Let's see. Slavery legal in the Union for "Four Score and Seven Years."

Lincoln urged passage of the Corwin Amendment, which actually did pass both houses of Congress and was ratified by 3 or 4 Northern states.

So tell me again what slavery has to do with it? Seems like both sides were in agreement that slavery would continue as it had always been.

Seems like you have to twist a bunch of the truth to even make slavery the issue in the Civil War.

There is that, John Brown’s northern-financed murder raid,

Well certainly John Brown's raid was about Slavery, because he was a dangerous lunatic, little different from the Eco terrorists who burn down buildings and car dealerships to "save the earth."

John Brown *MADE* his focus slavery, and he was not the only dangerous lunatic running around at the time. Those 5 wealthy men in Massachusetts (little different from modern liberal billionaires financing Antifa and other dangerous groups) who financed Brown were still out there, and presumably still intent on provoking a slave revolt in the South.

Incidentally, lest someone get to thinking that these men had some moral issue compelling them to finance these dangerous terrorists, I will now inform you they were all Wool merchants and associates, and Cotton was their number one competitor. Had they wrecked slavery in the South, they would have all seen immense increases in profits due to the unavailability of cotton, which would therefore create the necessity for alternatives.

John Brown was also a wool supplier. That was his primary business, and Cotton represented his gravest economic enemy, so there is a good chance his hatred of slavery had more to do with his own economic problems than it did with any moral concerns.

Yes, the dangerous Lunatics made their actions about "slavery", but this isn't the same as saying this would have been the focus of Southerners without Abolitionist lunatics making them focus on it just for their own self defense.

and Lincoln’s “House Divided” speech which supported southern fears that, if elected, Lincoln would use the military to violently overthrow the pro-slavery United States Constitution and destroy the South physically and economically.”

And did he not do exactly that? Seems like their fears were spot on.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Lincoln urged passage of the Corwin Amendment, which actually did pass both houses of Congress and was ratified by 3 or 4 Northern states.
So tell me again what slavery has to do with it?
Seems like both sides were in agreement that slavery would continue as it had always been.
Seems like you have to twist a bunch of the truth to even make slavery the issue in the Civil War."

As Bull Snipe points out, the seven already-seceded states showed no interest in Corwin for the entirely understandable reason that they already had much stronger protections for slavery in their new Confederate constitution.

So slavery was absolutely the issue and the Deep South went with those who gave them the best possible protections for it -- Confederates.

DiogenesLamp: "Well certainly John Brown's raid was about Slavery, because he was a dangerous lunatic..."

So once again a Lost Causer confesses it was, indeed, "all about slavery".

But don't worry, your secret's safe with me, I won't tell the Lost Cause Mother Church that you've lapsed into historical heresy.

;-)

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Those 5 wealthy men in Massachusetts (little different from modern liberal billionaires financing Antifa and other dangerous groups) who financed Brown were still out there, and presumably still intent on provoking a slave revolt in the South.

Incidentally, lest someone get to thinking that these men had some moral issue compelling them to finance these dangerous terrorists, I will now inform you they were all Wool merchants and associates, and Cotton was their number one competitor.
Had they wrecked slavery in the South, they would have all seen immense increases in profits due to the unavailability of cotton, which would therefore create the necessity for alternatives."

None of John Brown's "secret six" was a "wool merchant" or associate.

1. Gerrit Smith, New York, former Congressman, inherited wealth from John J Astor estate, post-war bailed out Jefferson Davis.

2. George Luther Stearns, Massachusetts, wealthy manufacturer of sheet metal & pipe.

3. Samuel Gridley Howe, Massachusetts, doctor.

4. Thomas Wentworth Higginson, Massachusetts, Unitarian minister.

5. Theodore Parker, Massachusetts, Unitarian minister.

6. Franklin Benjamin Sanborn, Massachusetts, teacher.

Nowhere did any of these men, or their associates, leave records saying they wished to abolish slavery in order to advance the interests of wool producers.