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To: smileyface

China Lake to the ocean would be a tunnel over 100 miles long through a geology nightmare of rock formations. The Chunnel was mostly mud and limestone.

MK-ultra was real - I agree. That said I have never seen it associated with China Lake until recently when some youtube yahoo who “discovered” the base which has been there for decades. BTW CL is considered by many to be a end of career location to serve.

I researched operation Paperclip in the 80’s. I didn’t find anything that referred to human experiments except has related to the space and military aircraft programs. I think it is a “facts not in evidence” to conflate the Germans with anything else. Of course that doesn’t mean that they didn’t do it - I just never found any evidence.

Of course we have been lied to but people that take things from column A and stuff from column B and try to make them fit don’t make the search for truth any easier.

Here’s another example:

http://www.subterraneanbases.com/navy-submarine-base-under-the-nevada-desert/

The base is there. It is there because of space(room), geology and location. It is not very far from Fallon NAS. Just nuts to stitch the events together and try make a conspiracy out of it. The highway goes right through the middle of the base.


585 posted on 07/21/2019 1:11:24 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Twitter, Facebook and New York City do not represent the real world.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

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Op Paperclip got us Bluebird, which morphed into MKUltra.
Lots of stuff available on this topic, perhaps was not around when you did your research.
https://ahrp.org/cias-torture-experiments-an-offshoot-of-operation-paperclip/
https://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg#_edn3

Digging and redigging is important.

Re the Fritz Springmeier stuff —it’s likely been around for for a while, not just discovered by some yahoo. China Lake may be an end of career move, for many reasons. Perhaps more digging is needed.

Not sure why you brought up base in Hawthorne; we’ve got a Naval base here in central PA; I know people that work there and they are not out of the ordinary.


624 posted on 07/21/2019 2:27:08 PM PDT by smileyface (Honey badger don't care! I love President Trump!)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I researched operation Paperclip in the 80’s. I didn’t find anything that referred to human experiments except has related to the space and military aircraft programs.

Did you find evidence of the use of the terminally ill in experiments, particularly children suffering from porphyria in high altidude parachute drops?

I don't know if I saw a documentary or thought of it myself but porphyria kids might be mistaken for aliens (huge head with slender body and elderly appearance) in 1950s-1960s America. Horrible if true.

632 posted on 07/21/2019 2:58:37 PM PDT by Oratam
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