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Oh good God. Not “bogus” so much as overplayed by FR men.

It is NOT just Islam that produces brutal men. None as consistent, but plenty under Hindu and Buddhist Shinto were brutal and ruthless. And that ruthless coldness was the purview of men, not women,who were to be truly “the little woman” and put up with their abuses.

Frankly I’m experienced with FR discussions relating to this same old topic and anything relating to it, and it’s the same stuff. In our particular topic “what is a male”, by FR braggadocio you’d think indeed men are supposed to be these very brutal careless heartless stereotypes. At the very least they sing praises of the very worst of redneck hicks as the epitome of manliness...I.e., any good manner is seen as “womanly” and thus an unfair imposition on men.

Luckily I know better by my wonderful father and grandfathers, who are no blowhard macho men but REAL men, and my husband, as well as cousins, etc. And I think mostly on FR it’s a lot of reactive big talk. I certainly hope so.

Oh good God. Not “bogus” so much as overplayed by FR men.

Thank you for that concession. There is posturing and there is truth. Some truth is often contained within posturing.

Don't define all men by guys yukking it up anonymously on the internet. Nine times out of ten, these very same men that you revile on FR are some of the finest men this country can produce.

It is NOT just Islam that produces brutal men.

No, but they codify their behavior in their religion, which is what I thought we were talking about.

The civilizing effect of Christianity and other more passive religions does not, of course, have a 100% effective rate.

Any good manner is seen as “womanly” and thus an unfair imposition on men.

I have never seen this on FR. I think you are hugely exaggerating with this statement.

Good manners is feminine? What a bizarre concept.

This conversation started out talking about men needing to touch other men more and has devolved into manners being feminine.

We're off track, I think.

The bottom line is this. Stop trying to make men into breastless women. You may find that you need "macho" men sometime in the future.