[bagster]

Oh good God. Not “bogus” so much as overplayed by FR men.

Thank you for that concession. There is posturing and there is truth. Some truth is often contained within posturing.

Don't define all men by guys yukking it up anonymously on the internet. Nine times out of ten, these very same men that you revile on FR are some of the finest men this country can produce.

It is NOT just Islam that produces brutal men.

No, but they codify their behavior in their religion, which is what I thought we were talking about.

The civilizing effect of Christianity and other more passive religions does not, of course, have a 100% effective rate.

Any good manner is seen as “womanly” and thus an unfair imposition on men.

I have never seen this on FR. I think you are hugely exaggerating with this statement.

Good manners is feminine? What a bizarre concept.

This conversation started out talking about men needing to touch other men more and has devolved into manners being feminine.

We're off track, I think.

The bottom line is this. Stop trying to make men into breastless women. You may find that you need "macho" men sometime in the future.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Are you saying my father (regular hunter growing up, gun-toting protector to moms parents during Baltimore riots, etc) his father (WWI artillery France) and my other grandfather (slaughterhouse owner, Liberty ship builder, and riot protector as well) are not men enough to handle anything and are “feminized”?

You would be SORELY mistaken.

If feminized means holding Christian behavior, then I’m all for it.

When Isay I have plenty experience on FR’s “women” threads I mean it. It’s the same old woman bashing and extreme redneck stereotyping and chest-thumping about how men have to be careless soulless assholes with zero care for anyone, their feelings or opinions, by their very descriptions. Someone reads only FR they might think that is what a “real” man is. Anything else seems to be their definition of “woman”.