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Bill G on biggest Microsoft management blunder... Was it Bing, Internet Explorer, Vista,...?(tr)
The Register ^ | Jun 24, 2019 | John Oates

Posted on 06/24/2019 8:25:37 AM PDT by dayglored

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To: Erik Latranyi
Where they failed was on the apps end. Many popular app providers boycotted Microsoft (Snapchat being one) which rendered the phones inferior to the competition.

Good point. In post #20, I mentioned the opposition to Windows entering the phone market. They backstabbed and kneecapped so many developers on the desktop that nobody trusted them. Every other developer expected MS, when it got the majority of the phone market, to start creating their own native apps and choking off other developers like they did with Windows desktop. Just about every developer outside of Redmond was united against them.

21 posted on 06/24/2019 9:01:43 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
I remember Wordperfect and Lotus 1-2-3 would start crashing every time I did a Windows update. Read a few articles that the owners said MS would put out coding guidelines then break the guidelines with their own products, but not notify anyone that they were changing the coding.

As a computer programmer in my past life, we ran into this crap all the time with MS! They were pushing Cisco HARD, so they would change little things when you tried to do similar connections through Ascend routers and just glitchy crap like that!

That crap was the reason I became a Linux user/programmer and ultimately just got away from programming altogether! MS made it no longer "fun," because they controlled the game!
22 posted on 06/24/2019 9:02:55 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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To: Robert DeLong
V neck sweaters are jumpers in the UK, for some reason only known to Mad Dogs and Englishmen
23 posted on 06/24/2019 9:09:10 AM PDT by llevrok (Vote, while it is still legal!)
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To: llevrok

The English always were a tad bit on the weird side in my opinion. 8>)


24 posted on 06/24/2019 9:36:31 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: dayglored

I’ve always despised Microsoft, Ballmer and Gates and their media sychophants. Windows is, and has always been a piece of sh1t.

I developed all my products for OS/2, a far superior and truly O-O operating system. To prove this, just perform a file move from one folder to another.

OS/2 still exists, was eComStation, now is ArcaNoae. Still far superior to Windows, Linux, and any other OS on the market.

I paid a high financial price for sticking to my firm beliefs. But even today, I would make the same decision. I will never give my customers crap. And Windows is crap!


25 posted on 06/24/2019 9:47:22 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim ( The following statement is false. The previous statement is true.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
> Microsoft never created anything. Gates stole MS DOS. Everything else they either bought, or are cheap knockoffs.

Eh, not quite fair.

Microsoft bought DOS (86-DOS, a.k.a. QDOS) from Seattle Computer Products for a measly $50K, re-branded it MS-DOS, and licensed it to IBM as PC-DOS. All perfectly legal business.

OTOH, given what it was worth later, you might characterize it as "theft", but not in a legal sense, only in an ethical sense.

Over the years, Microsoft developed a lot of things on their own, and purchased and absorbed many more. They practiced many predatory business practices and got in trouble for it. They used the "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" with many standards and protocols.

But it's not fair to say they never created anything -- they did. Some were successes, some were failures.

26 posted on 06/24/2019 9:51:35 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: Mr. K

“”sporting a natty pink jumper” will never be used after my name. “

Unless natty is short for Natalie.


27 posted on 06/24/2019 9:57:33 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If you want a definition of "bullying" just watch the Democrats in the Senate)
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To: dayglored

28 posted on 06/24/2019 9:58:18 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (AOC: The brain of a tea bisquit)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Microsoft never created anything. Gates stole MS DOS. Everything else they either bought, or are cheap knockoffs.

Pretty much true. I was in the UNIX world when gates and microsoft came on the market so we were interested in interfacing with ms/dos.

Gates was a dick.

Apple was much more accommodating, but that was understandable because ms/dos was getting bigger, faster and thought they didn't need any Unix vendors.

29 posted on 06/24/2019 9:59:06 AM PDT by USS Alaska
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To: Richard Kimball
> I remember Wordperfect and Lotus 1-2-3 would start crashing every time I did a Windows update. Read a few articles that the owners said MS would put out coding guidelines then break the guidelines with their own products, but not notify anyone that they were changing the coding.

One of the dirtiest tricks in the Microsoft Book of Dirty Tricks.

As a developer whose applications and utilities had to run on Windows, that crap made me furious.

I grew sick and tired of Windows breaking stuff for no apparent reason other than Microsoft not being honest.

It's one of the main reasons I primarily use Linux and MacOS these days, and go into a Windows VM only for those tools that only run on Windows, or to test a cross-platform application on Windows. And hoping to God it doesn't fetch up against yet another place where Microsoft lied or screwed up. It's really freakin' annoying.

It could have been so much better.

Personally I don't blame Gates as much as Steve Ballmer. That man did more damage to Microsoft, and everything around it, than you can imagine.

30 posted on 06/24/2019 10:01:36 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: COBOL2Java

One of my all-time favorites!


31 posted on 06/24/2019 10:02:17 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: dayglored
biggest management miscalculation

I nominate that Word is still not as good as WordPerfect was 20 years ago.

32 posted on 06/24/2019 10:02:51 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: dayglored

Microsoft’s biggest managerial mistake was going to their current update system. Their second was letting the QA deteriorate in their current update system. The third may be changing their licensing model, we’ll have to see about that one. All IMHO, of course.


33 posted on 06/24/2019 10:05:11 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: bigbob

That is correct Windows CE phones/pda were out in Europe well before the iPhone. When I move back to the US I was very disappointed in not seeing a CE phone on the market.

Microsoft had great products, they just had very poor marketing. I still use a Microsoft 950 phone today, the Camera outperforms todays Iphone. Thinking about buying a backup 950, just in case.


34 posted on 06/24/2019 10:08:31 AM PDT by DEPcom
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To: USS Alaska
> I was in the UNIX world when gates and microsoft came on the market so we were interested in interfacing with ms/dos. ... ms/dos was getting bigger, faster and thought they didn't need any Unix vendors.

I'm sure you recall that prior to the IBM-PC and the rise of MS-DOS, Microsoft -WAS- a Unix company. In fact it was -the- Unix company, in some respects.

Remember XENIX? The Unix variant with the largest installed base (at that time)? That was Microsoft's product, from the time they licensed it from AT&T in 1978 until they sold it to SCO in 1987.

Microsoft positioned XENIX as their "multi-tasking, multi-user" operating system, and MS-DOS as their "single-tasking, single-user" operating system.

So I'm not sure what your comment refers to.

35 posted on 06/24/2019 10:09:44 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: dayglored; USS Alaska
Apropos of XENIX, I personally think that Microsoft could have owned the computer world if they hadn't tossed XENIX aside. That was, IMO, very short-sighted.

Among other things, they could have forestalled the rise of GNU/Linux to its current position as the premier server OS.

Windows is a poor general-purpose server OS -- it's an applications platform. Works fine for Windows applications, but it's awful for general server use.

Maybe, though, it's better that they tossed XENIX aside. Think of a world with only Microsoft operating systems.... (shudder) :-)

36 posted on 06/24/2019 10:18:34 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: bigbob
The abbreviation for Windows CE is WinCE. This does not sound good.
37 posted on 06/24/2019 10:20:26 AM PDT by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: eCSMaster
> OS/2 still exists, was eComStation, now is ArcaNoae. Still far superior to Windows, Linux, and any other OS on the market.

Do you know, OS/2 was developed by the team at Microsoft that for the previous decade had been their XENIX (Unix) development team?

"...[Microsoft] agreed with IBM to develop OS/2, and the Xenix team (together with the best MS-DOS developers) was assigned to that project..."
-- Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix)
That explains some of OS/2's excellence.
38 posted on 06/24/2019 10:41:26 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: Flick Lives
> Microsoft Bob? Clippy?

Bill did everybody a favor by marrying Melinda and getting her out of management.

39 posted on 06/24/2019 10:48:31 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."`)
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To: dayglored

:-)


40 posted on 06/24/2019 12:27:16 PM PDT by Flick Lives (CNN is not healthy for children and other living things)
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