Posted on 06/24/2019 7:40:07 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
Recent drone flyovers of the expansive Shanghai site have even revealed that a substation is currently being built. Sightings of workers with ABB Robotics uniforms in the area also hint at sections of Gigafactory 3 being prepared for the installation of manufacturing robots.
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Of course, they had to submit detailed plans for the permit.
Every worker on site knows to keep an eye on the details if they would like to have a second child.
I kind of like Musk but, he like many others is sucked in by that old siren song $$$.
Giga - 3 ?
Making LiOn Batteries?
Seems Panasonic and Toyota are going a little different direction. Tesla was kicked to the curb.
I kind of like Musk but, he like many others is sucked in by that old siren song $$$.
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Musk said if he was in it for the money, he would have started another Internet company.
The new factory in China is mainly for cars. The Chinese car market is bigger than ours.
And if anybody is being kicked to the curb, it’s Panasonic.
Look deeper. It’s not about cars it’s about battery technology.
IMHO, Lion is a dead end. Super capacitors are a future.
Why are you being so mysterious?
Tesla just acquired Maxwell, a super capacitor company.
Super capacitors work well for storing energy from regenerative braking. They won’t replace the main battery.
I didn’t know it was a mystery that Solid State Lithium Batteries are on the near horizon.
To be less mysterious, the GIGAFACTORY 3 is like building a house out of sticks, while Panasonic is building the oven to make bricks.
If China can’t steal this secret well who knows.
I can say this for a fact. Last December, a fellow was arrested across the street from where I work. Phillips 66 apparently has a big battery program going on, and this Chinese fellow stole a billion doll-hairs worth of secrets. Slam dunk case and he was arrested. Whether that info went to China is still somewhat up in the air.
Horizons are mysterious, as are sticks and bricks, but at least you made a rhyme.
Musk said if he was in it for the money, he would have started another Internet company.
A rhetorical question.
Everyone knows that the Chinese are stealing EVERYTHING.
It is impossible to protect your I.P.
The WSJ had an article about the manufacture of high-end golf clubs in China. Looking for the article...
The clubs were available in the local market before they were in production.
https://www.si.com/vault/2003/05/26/343635/pssst-wanna-buy-some-clubs-golfers-spend-millions-a-year-on-counterfeits-and-knockoffs-to-find-out-how-this-burgeoning-industry-works-we-went-right-to-the-source-southern-china
He offered a bonus equivalent to a year’s
salary to anyone who turned in a coworker for theft. He also made
sure that Callaway clubs were manufactured in their own building,
separate from the building that made Nike’s clubs. Despite these
and other safeguards, wax molds of the newest, hottest clubs
still disappear. “We cannot guarantee 100 percent against theft,”
said Fu Sheng’s president, P.Z. Lin.
“I could get 300 Nike heads this week. I could get Titleist. The
Chinese government has said it’s cracking down on counterfeiters
because of pressure from the U.S. government. But they look with
one eye. China just wants to make money.”
If China wants to steal the technology all they have to do is buy a car and tear it down.
What happened to McDonald’s when their competitors figured out how to make a hamburger?
If China wants to steal the technology all they have to do is buy a car and tear it down.
Like the highspeed rail, they bought from Japan?
Japan used to be the world leader in the field.
What happened to McDonald’s when their competitors figured out how to make a hamburger?
A good question and analogous.
And how many jobs will Tesla create in China?
Why buy the cow, when the milk is free, with free delivery.
And your people are being trained to make the secret sauce.
Honda was a top-selling car in China, may be sold a little well?
The Chinese consumer reports found some flaw, sales went to near zero.
Recall the Chinese consumer reports found a flaw in the iPhone...
Remember the brand new Tesla that jumped into the Chinese pond???
Honda was a top-selling car in China, may be sold a little well?
The Chinese consumer reports found some flaw, sales went to near zero.
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I can’t find any evidence of that here:
http://carsalesbase.com/china-car-sales-data/honda/
Similar to this and a bit more reicent:
Japanese automakers suffered plunging sales in China last month and have cut manufacturing by up to half in China this month after violent anti-Japanese protests against Japanese-brand cars and even their owners.
Honda said that its sales had fallen 40 percent and Nissan said that sales were down 35 percent.
Japanese automakers have sharply cut production schedules through the end of October, a sign that they see little immediate improvement on the horizon, although they have followed corporate traditions so far of refraining from layoffs. Automakers release figures only for their sales to dealerships in China because the government has halted the release of retail sales figures by dealerships to consumers for the last year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/business/global/japanese-car-sales-plummet-in-china.html
In China Protests, Japanese Car Sales Suffer
NB: The Chinese play the populace like a Stradivarius.
2012?
The data I linked to shows Honda’s sales tripled since 2012.
This is how China Inc rolls.
Mr Musk might believe he will receive a pass on his need for rare earth elements... He is dreaming.
All that Tesla has in China is in reality owned by China.
He cannot pack it up and take it home.
“China may pass all the legislation ensuring the safety of foreign investments and the rights of multinational companies, but the chance of it swinging away again when there is another political confrontation is just too high … we cannot afford to take any more risk.”
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