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‘Ode to Joy’ has an odious history. Let’s give Beethoven’s most overplayed symphony a rest
Toronto Star ^ | 6/26/2018 | John Terauds

Posted on 06/05/2019 9:35:54 AM PDT by Borges

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To: Leaning Right

“The point of recapitulation in the first movement of the Ninth is one of the most horrifying moments in music, as the carefully prepared cadence is frustrated, damming up energy which finally explodes in the throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release.” - musicologist Susan McClary


61 posted on 06/05/2019 11:29:08 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

No, let’s NOT give it a rest. Let’s give Teraud (whoever he thinks he is) a rest.

Enough of these posers and their virtue-signaling.


62 posted on 06/05/2019 12:12:17 PM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon (Thank God for President Trump.)
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To: Borges
The Second Movement of Beethoven's Ninth used to be the intro to, I think, Huntley/Brinkley or one of the other major evening news programs on ABC or NBC - sounds like somebody has some 'splainin' to do......
63 posted on 06/05/2019 12:23:44 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Borges

I bet Hitler liked sauerkraut too.

That means we cannot eat it, lest we become Nazis.


64 posted on 06/05/2019 12:31:53 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: TexasM1A
The absurdity of those who hate cultural exceptionalism.

Leftist War On Social Continuity

Compulsion For Uniformity

65 posted on 06/05/2019 12:40:20 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: NorthMountain

66 posted on 06/05/2019 12:40:20 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Well, I guess poor Schroeder is going to have to be exiled from the Peanuts comic now, isn’t he?


67 posted on 06/05/2019 12:44:30 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Borges

Eh, let’s not. As long as we’re not singing “Deutschland, Deutschland uber Alles” to the music, it’s fine.


68 posted on 06/05/2019 12:49:29 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The Modern Democrat Party: America's largest hate group.)
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To: Kommodor
Well, I guess poor Schroeder is going to have to be exiled from the Peanuts comic now, isn’t he?

Hmmmmm!


69 posted on 06/05/2019 12:51:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: rockrr

70 posted on 06/05/2019 12:52:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Leftists, who seek to suppress cultural achievements, have bought a panoramic selection of Leftist idiocy. (Of course, the Nazis were on the far Left, but that doesn't stop their fellow Leftist rivals, from peddling idiocy premised on a gross misunderstanding of Western Socialism's intentions & means.)

Compulsion For Uniformity

Lies Of Socialism

The spirits evoked by the Beethoven masterpiece are the exact opposite of the Socialist quest for a regimented humanity. Think about it!!

71 posted on 06/05/2019 12:52:58 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Borges

....the lovely Christmas music “O Tannenbaum” is also the tune for “The Red Flag”.


72 posted on 06/05/2019 1:04:03 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Borges

Such garbage. So many fallacies, so little space to squeeze them into.


73 posted on 06/05/2019 1:14:56 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Borges

Is there ANYTHING in Western Civilization that they don’t want us to scrap? Maybe we should all don loincloths, daub mud on our bodies, and jump around the campfire screaming blood curdling yells while pounding on hollow logs. Ummm...nope, no good, that would be appropriating another culture, too.

How awful to go through life perpetually aggrieved. Not one of these cretins has ever provided a blueprint of a society that they would deem worthy.


74 posted on 06/05/2019 1:19:57 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Borges

This would be the canuck’s sweet dream:

“In order to avoid Russian censorship, Finlandia had to be performed under alternative names at various musical concerts. Titles under which the piece masqueraded were numerous and often confusing —famous examples include Happy Feelings at the awakening of Finnish Spring, and A Scandinavian Choral March.”
—Wikipedia

Those cursed Finns struggling to maintain a national identity.


75 posted on 06/05/2019 1:31:56 PM PDT by Chaguito
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This fascist would probably applaud these bannings as well, all directed at national identity.

https://www.talkclassical.com/17881-music-banned.html


76 posted on 06/05/2019 1:35:17 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Borges

After 40-plus years as a classical buff, I have arrived at a point where I find the Ninth to be a bit overwhelming.

Particularly, I have never “gotten” the slow movement. This is odd because Beethoven knew very well how to write slow movements that never drag.

Take for instance the funeral march in the Eroica and the second movement of the Fifth, that calm and meditative break from the fireworks of DAH-DAH-DAH-DUM!!!!

But the slow movement of the Ninth drags so badly that I can hardly remember a single note.

As for Hitler liking the Ninth? I read that he was particularly fond of the Bruckner Seventh ... and if you can find me a composer less political than Anton Bruckner, please tell me. Bruckner was an organist and his symphonies all sound like he’s playing stings, woodwinds, brass, and percussion like some big pipe organ.


77 posted on 06/05/2019 1:37:37 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: Borges

Upon googling the author “John Turauds” we learn he supposedly is a classical music scholar.

Upon a cursory reading of this opinion piece, we realize he contradicts, & essentially shoots down, his own argument.

Namely, that the lovely & triumphant Ode to Joy, along with the classically liberal ideas of tolerance and melting-pot diversity have been co-opted & subverted by tyrants, is an argument, not for tossing them all into the dustbin of history, but rather in favor of reclaiming these noble benchmarks & setting them aright.


78 posted on 06/05/2019 1:40:31 PM PDT by mumblypeg (I've seen the future, brother. It is murder. --L. Cohen)
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To: Borges

I like Sousa marches the best.


79 posted on 06/05/2019 1:51:17 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Borges

I have the distinct feeling that that man should not be donating blood ...


80 posted on 06/05/2019 1:53:56 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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