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Dems "talk" Russia collusion, yet it is THEY who are helping Russia regain strength (on many fronts)
various sources (links provided) | May 31, 2019 | various authors

Posted on 05/31/2019 6:36:58 AM PDT by ETL

The real Russian ‘conspiracy’ is happening in the energy sector

By Daniel Turner | Fox News
May 31, 2019

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The foundation for impeachment was Russia: Russia meddling in our election, Russia allegedly colluding with the Trump campaign to subvert our democracy, Russia using social media to create division, Russia stealing Hillary Clinton’s emails, Russia leaking sensitive information to WikiLeaks, and so on.

Even Special Counsel Robert Mueller, in his farewell press conference Wednesday [May 29, 2019], spoke of the serious threat from Russia.

But amidst all this talk Russia’s nefarious influence, there is real Russian collusion happening right now, and it’s in full view of the American people and deliberately orchestrated by the very Democrats who are demanding impeachment because of Russia. ...”

It all has to do with the environmentalist movement.

The liberal bastion of the Northeast is importing natural gas from Russia.

New York state is turning to our adversary to meet demand.

Boston Harbor regularly sees tankers from Russia.

Why?

This seems contradictory. Natural gas production in the United States has reached record highs.

In a recent visit to a new $10 billion liquid natural gas export (LNG) terminal, President Trump touted the facility’s importance in dominating the world energy markets. ...”

Since 2014 Cuomo has banned hydraulic fracking in the state, parroting environmental activist talking points that it would cause “adverse health outcomes.” ...”

In January he announced New York’s very own “Green New Deal,” with the goal of eliminating the state’s carbon footprint.

Under Cuomo, New York has unilaterally halted interstate pipeline construction, undermining the ability of other states in the region from accessing natural gas.

The result of these eco-policies has predictably been unnecessary shortages. Now, some customers in the state are facing moratoriums on natural gas hookups.

With local natural gas production restricted by his nonsensical fracking ban, and pipeline bans preventing natural gas from being brought into the state, liberal New York has turned to Russia.

“We should be producing energy at home, not enriching foreign adversaries abroad,” Trump said at the LNG facility in Louisiana. Cuomo either hasn’t heard or doesn’t believe, that message. And that is dangerous and wrong.

The foreign policy left should be outraged that American taxpayers are enriching our adversary by purchasing Russian LNG.

[Yet,] they remain silent. ..."

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/daniel-turner-real-russian-conspiracy


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While we're on the subject of natural gas, or energy in general (ie, Hillary's Uranium-One deal, where the Obama-Biden-Hillary admin allowed Russia to take control of a whopping 20% of US uranium production) and the Russians, consider this below...

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[RT (Russia Today) is a Russia state-owned and controlled propaganda media outlet -ETL]

From The Daily Caller, May 5, 2019

* Hunter Biden was appointed to the board of directors of a Ukranian company [Burisma] as part of an effort to recruit well-connected Americans while the company was under investigation, according to The New York Times.

* Then-Vice President Joe Biden played a role in pressuring Ukraine to oust the country’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating the company, Burisma.

* Shokin’s successor initially ended the investigation into Burisma, but decided in March 2019 to reopen it.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/05/biden-ukraine-burisma-trump/

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Mykola Zlochevsky

Same article, Daily Caller, May 5, 2019

Burisma is a natural gas exploration and production company owned by Mykola Zlochevsky, a cabinet member of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich. [Viktor Yanukovich was Putin’s stooge in the Ukraine -ETL].

Yanukovich was removed from his position in February 2014.

He [Putin stooge, Yanukovich] currently lives in exile in Russia and is wanted by Ukraine for high treason.

Zlochevsky later fled the country in late-2014 as Ukrainian prosecutors launched investigations into his time in public office as well as his private businesses.”

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/05/biden-ukraine-burisma-trump/

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Viktor Yanukovych (Party of Regions), Putin's stooge in the Ukraine -ETL]

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Viktor Yanukovych vs Viktor Yushchenko

In 2004, as President Kuchma's term came to an end, [Viktor] Yushchenko announced his candidacy for president as an independent.

His major rival was Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych. ..."

The campaign was often bitter and violent.

Yushchenko became seriously ill in early September 2004.

He was flown to Vienna’s Rudolfinerhaus clinic for treatment and diagnosed with acute pancreatitis, accompanied by interstitial edematous changes, due to a serious viral infection and chemical substances that are not normally found in food products.

Yushchenko claimed that he had been poisoned by government agents.

After the illness, his face was greatly disfigured: jaundiced, bloated, and pockmarked.

British toxicologist Professor John Henry of St Mary’s Hospital in London declared the changes in Yushchenko’s face were due to chloracne, which results from dioxin poisoning.[17]

Dutch toxicologist Bram Brouwer also stated his changes in appearance were the result of chloracne, and found dioxin levels in Yushchenko’s blood 6,000 times above normal.[18]

On December 11, Dr. Michael Zimpfer of the Rudolfinerhaus clinic declared that Yushchenko had ingested TCDD dioxin and had 1,000 times the usual concentration in his body.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#TCDD_poisoning

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Yushchenko, hero of Ukraine's Orange Revolution warns Europe that Putin won't stop at Crimea

by Matthew Schofield - McClatchy Foreign Staff
March 27, 2014

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Viktor Yushchenko

Many Ukrainians believe you need look no further than the face of Viktor Yushchenko to understand Russia's aggression against Ukraine.

Once smooth and ruggedly handsome, it still bears the scars from an assassination attempt when someone slipped dioxin into Yushchenko's food. ..."

Read more here:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24765781.html#storylink=cpy

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Giuliani: "The fact is, this was a massive collusion between the Democratic National Committee, officials of the Obama administration, (Hillary) Clinton people, and the Ukrainian officials, corrupt officials — who, by the way, were pro-Russian corrupt officials"

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1 posted on 05/31/2019 6:36:58 AM PDT by ETL
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Gohmert: Mueller “Covering” Involvement In Clinton-Uranium Deal While Trying To Have A “Coup” Against Trump

Posted By Ian Schwartz
June 9, 2018

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Saturday special counsel Robert Mueller is trying to cover up his involvement with the Uranium One deal that benefited the Clintons while “trying to have a coup against the president.”

REP. LOUIE GOHMERT (R-TX): Robert Mueller has done more damage during his 12 years as FBI director than any other — probably all directors put together...

He has wasted money right and left.

Amazingly, he’s hired people like [Andrew] Weissmann that worked with him and [Rod] Rosenstein in investigating the Russian illegal efforts to obtain our uranium which they quashed information in order to allow the sale to go through so that Hillary could get the $145 million for her foundation.

So it is really outrageous. He’s covering for himself at the same time he’s trying to have a coup against the president.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/09/gohmert_mueller_covering_involvement_in_clinton-uranium_deal_while_trying_to_have_a_coup_against_trump.html

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"...he’s [Mueller] hired people like [Andrew] Weissmann that worked with him and [Rod] Rosenstein in investigating the Russian illegal efforts to obtain our uranium which they quashed information in order to allow the sale to go through so that Hillary could get the $145 million for her foundation.

So it is really outrageous. He’s covering for himself at the same time he’s trying to have a coup against the president.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/09/gohmert_mueller_covering_involvement_in_clinton-uranium_deal_while_trying_to_have_a_coup_against_trump.html

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Andrew Weissmann

Andrew Weissmann headed the Obama administration’s Department of Justice Criminal Fraud Section. Weissman was knowledgeable of Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Ohr’s collusion with Christopher Steele and Glenn Simpson and did not report the illegal activity to his superiors as departmental regulations require.[1] Weissman is now lead prosecutor in the Mueller investigation.[2] Weissmann is suspected in illegal leaks from the Mueller probe.[3]

Weissmann donated $2,300 to the Obama Victory Fund in 2008, $2,000 to the DNC in 2006 and at least $2,300 to the Clinton campaign in 2007. He was at Hillary Clinton headquarters on election night and is part of the anti-Trump Resistance.

Uranium One

Main article: Uranium One bribery scandal

Vadim Mikerin, director of Tenex, plea agreement shows that the Obama DOJ’s Fraud Section was then run by Andrew Weissmann.

The Justice Department instructs prosecutors that when Congress has given a federal offense its own conspiracy provision with a heightened punishment (as it has for money laundering, racketeering, narcotics trafficking, and other serious crimes), they may not charge a section 371 conspiracy. Section 371 is for less serious conspiracy cases. Using it for money laundering — which caps the sentence below Congress’s intent for that behavior — subverts federal law and signals to the court that the prosecutor does not regard the offense as major.

Yet, that is exactly what Rod Rosenstein’s office did, in a plea agreement his prosecutors co-signed with attorneys from the Justice Department’s Fraud Section. (See in The Hill’s report, the third document embedded at the bottom, titled “Mikerin Plea Deal.”) No RICO, no extortion, no fraud — and the plea agreement does not mention any of the extortions in 2009 and 2010, before Committee on Foreign Investment in the US approved Rosatom’s acquisition of Uranium One. Mikerin just plead guilty to a nominal “money laundering” conspiracy charge, insulating him from a longer sentence. Thus, he got a term of only four years’ for a major national security crime.

https://www.conservapedia.com/Andrew_Weissmann

2 posted on 05/31/2019 6:37:22 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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CIA Director under President Obama, John Brennan

John Brennan Voted Communist in 1976, Then Entered CIA in 1980

Eric Zuesse
March 31, 2018

Barack Obama’s CIA chief, John Brennan, told the Annual Legislative Conference of the Congressional Black Caucus, on 15 September 2016, in Washington DC, that when he had applied in 1980 to join the CIA, he admitted to them that in the 1976 Presidential election, when Jimmy Carter was running against Gerald Ford, Brennan had voted instead for the candidate of the U.S. Communist Party, Gus Hall, and that he was then greatly relieved to find that this information didn’t cause rejection of his CIA-application.

This had happened 11 years before the 1991 end of the Cold War...”

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/03/31/john-brennan-voted-communist-in-1976-then-entered-cia-in-1980/

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"During the Cold War the CPUSA [Communist Party, USA] had a parallel underground structure, and a small number of people spied for Moscow.

Until the 1980s the party was receiving substantial amounts of Soviet funding, says Klehr, money that the FBI knew about and tracked."

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26126325

3 posted on 05/31/2019 6:37:58 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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July 2016!!...

Sen. D’Amato Drops Bomb: Hillary Allowed Russia to Take Ownership of US Uranium to Sell to Iran

Jim Hoft
Jul 3rd, 2016

Former Senator Al D’Amato (R-NY) dropped a bomb on Sunday Morning Futures this AM. D’Amato told Maria Bartiromo that Hillary allowed Russia to take ownership of US uranium so they could sell it to Iran.

Hillary made it possible for the Russians to take control of one of our huge uranium producers and allow them to own the company, export the uranium and who do they sell the uranium to? Iran!

Now if people knew that and that the foundation as a result of that got $135 million. I think people would start saying, “What?”

It’s true.
In January 2013, Pravda celebrated the Russian atomic energy agency’s purchase of the company “Uranium One” in Canada.

That same company, Uranium One, owned uranium concessions in the United States. Because uranium is a strategically important commodity, the Russians would need approval from the Obama administration, including Hillary’s State Department, before the purchase took place.

Nine shareholders in Uranium One just happened to provide more than $145 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation in the run-up to State Department approval.

The Clintons took the cash from Uranium One officials before the deal was approved by Hillary Clinton’s State Department. The Clintons hid the donations which is a clear violation of the Memorandum of Understanding Hillary Clinton signed with the Obama administration wherein she promised and agreed to publicly disclose all donations during her tenure as Secreatary of State. (Via Breitbart)

The New York Times reported on the crooked deal in 2015.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And then there’s this...

Senator John Barrasso (R-WY) told Greta Van Susteren the deal Hillary approved gave Putin ownership of 20 percent of US uranium and Russia sells uranium to unfriendly countries, including Iran.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/senator-damato-drops-bomb-hillary-allowed-russia-take-ownership-us-uranium-sell-iran-video/

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Obama allowing Iran to purchase uranium from Russia

Daniel Horowitz | January 10, 2017

Remember those side deals Obama forged with Iran that were not part of the text of the official treaty? Now we are finding out some of the details.

Yesterday, the Washington Free Beacon reported that Iranian officials confirmed they have received at least $10 billion in cash, commodities, and assets from Washington since 2013. And that is likely a conservative estimate.

But cash is not the only thing the Islamic Republic of Iran is receiving for gracing us with their willingness to sign onto our own capitulation.

The AP is reporting that Russia, with the support of President Obama, is shipping Iran 116 metric tons of natural uranium.

While Iranian officials have obviously declined to disclose the use of such uranium, AP notes that this is enough to enrich weapons-grade uranium for nuclear bombs:

“Despite present restrictions on its enrichment program, however, the amount of natural uranium is significant should Iran decide to keep it in storage, considering its potential uses once some limits on Tehran’s nuclear activities start to expire in less than a decade.

David Albright, whose Institute of Science and International Security often briefs U.S. lawmakers on Iran’s nuclear program, says the shipment could be enriched to enough weapons-grade uranium for more than 10 simple nuclear bombs, “depending on the efficiency of the enrichment process and the design of the nuclear weapon.” ...”

See more at:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/obama-allowing-iran-to-purchase-uranium-from-russia-will-tillerson-reverse-course#sthash.guYPvONI.dpuf

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4 posted on 05/31/2019 6:39:17 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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To: ETL

5 posted on 05/31/2019 6:41:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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No need to ask Clinton (and Obama) about their Russian connections-----the paper trail is long and wide.

HILLARY'S STATE DEPT----AND THE OBAMA YEARS---UNRELENTING SCANDAL
By Ari Lieberman/ frontpagemagazine.com

EXCERPT The taxpayer financed-Skolkovo Scandal – While serving as secretary of state, Clinton oversaw a program meant to “reset” relations with Moscow and improve ties. The program centered around the Russian city of Skolkovo near Moscow with the stated aim of “identifying areas of cooperation and pursuing joint projects and actions that strengthen strategic stability, international security, economic well-being, and the development of ties between the American and Russian people.”

Hillary's State Dept program transformed Skolkovo into a technology hub akin to a Silicon Valley. Sensitive American technology was transferred to the Russians, substantially enhancing their military and cyber capabilities. The US Army and the FBI concluded that Russia had exploited the program for military applications.

The FBI warned American technology companies doing business in Skolkovo that the Skolkovo project was a means by which the Russians would acquire dual use technologies and apply them for military ends. According to investigative author Peter Schweizer, Russian and American companies and individuals involved in the Skolkovo fiasco “had major financial ties to the Clintons.”

Moreover, during the Russian reset period, those entities provided the Clintons with “tens of millions of
dollars” in the form of “contributions to the Clinton Foundation, paid for speeches by Bill Clinton, or
investments in small start-up companies with deep Clinton ties.”

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Of all the spurious excuses she gives for her loss, the most ludicrous is that
Hillary says she lost her "sure-thing election" because "Putin doesn't like me."
Comey sucked up big-time--told Congress Putin wanted to “harm Hillary.”

Hillary once bragged that she, alone, was brought into Putin's inner sanctum
where she assured Putin she was worried about wildlife like he was.

Putin whispered to an attentive Hilary that they were BFF.

Secy Hillary and Obama were eager to please Russia w/ the friendly reset button.
Hillary later said the reset gambit was Obama's and her idea "to strengthen Russia."

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Ex-Pres Clinton is s-o-o-o-o friendly he traveled to Russia to clinch the uranium giveaway deal.
And to pocket a $500,000 dollar speaking fee from a Moscow bank plus a sizeable commission.

Billybooboo laid his "Hot Damn Hokey Hillbilly Act" on Putin.
Billy was then an ex-pres and had NO official govt role.

6 posted on 05/31/2019 6:45:05 AM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: ETL
If it is Russia's plan to disrupt politics in the USA, regardless of who is in office, the antics of the Democrats are certainly helping them. The Russians are in a target rich environment if they are in need of useful idiots.

Trump is owed some reparations since he has had much of his time burned off fighting the Russian-Clinton-DNC criminal hoax.

The coup d'etat plan screwed up and/or had a detrimenetal impact on THREE election cycles. They still want to relitigate 2016 (demolish the Electoral College, drop voter age to 16, impeach/remove Trump, etc.), it certainly tainted the 2018 elections even though the Senate gained a few seats, the House is a trainwreck with the Socialist Spice Girls running rampant, and the 2020 elections are already tainted by the overall scheme.

This is truly a Clinton-hatched "scorched earth" tactic and strategy.

Trump is a force that Washington DC has never seen before. He has become the antidote to Hopium Addiction. We are all in recovery from the lost decade of Soetoro. GW Bush brought him in early, prior to the inauguration to help screw up the economy, and the Soetoro stench has lingered into the first two years of the Trump assault on the swamp.

7 posted on 05/31/2019 6:48:20 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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The Sinking Trump-Russia Collusion Ship
National Review ^ | Victor Davis Hanson
FR Posted on 5/24/2019, 5:41:39 PM by bitt

The end of the Mueller melodrama has marked the beginning of real fear in Washington. The entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was always implausible.
One, the Washington swamp of fixers such as Paul Manafort and John and Tony Podesta was mostly bipartisan and predated Trump.

Two, the Trump administration’s Russia policies were far tougher on Vladimir Putin than were those of Barack Obama. Trump confronted Russia in Syria, upped defense spending, increased sanctions, and kept the price of oil down through massive new U.S. energy production. He did not engineer a Russian “reset” or get caught on a hot mic offering a self-interested hiatus in tensions with Russia in order to help his own reelection bid.

Three, Russia has a long history of trying to warp U.S. elections that predated Trump and that had earned only lukewarm pushback from the Obama administration.

It’s also worth remembering that President Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation had been recipients of Russian and Russian-related largesse — ostensibly because Hillary Clinton had used her influence as secretary of state under Obama to ease resistance to Russian acquisitions of North American uranium holdings. (Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


8 posted on 05/31/2019 6:49:11 AM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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Russian spy Newsweek warned about (top Putin Adviser Vladislav Surkov) was actually working with the Dems to help Hillary and hurt Trump!

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3752073/posts

9 posted on 05/31/2019 6:49:51 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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Note that this first article below from the left-wing, cover the Dems' butts, snooze magazine, Newsweek, was meant to "dirty" Trump.

Meanwhile, this Russian spy guy for KGB/FSB Putin that they are scaring the public about was, evidence shows, working with them, The Democrats! to HURT Trump and HELP Hillary win the election! Lol!

From Newsweek, Feb 12, 2019...

Vladimir Putin’s Adviser [Vladislav Surkov] Tells Americans: ‘Russia Interferes in Your Brains, We Change Your Conscience’

Cristina Maza (Newsweek)
Feb 12, 2019

Americans who worry about Russia election interference should stop focusing on such trivialities and instead realize that the idea that they have a choice over how they are governed is a mere illusion, Vladislav Surkov, an adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, wrote in an op-ed published this week.

“The illusion of choice is the most important illusion, the main trick of Western democracy especially….

The rejection of this illusion in favor of the reality that everything is predestined will allow society to reflect first on our vision of democratic development,” Surkov wrote.

“Foreign politicians talk about Russia’s interference in elections and referendums around the world.

In fact, the matter is even more serious: Russia interferes in your brains, we change your conscience, and there is nothing you can do about it.”

Election interference is not the main thing Americans should be worried about, said an adviser to the Russian president.

In his op-ed for the Russian publication Nezavisimaya Gazeta, or “Independent Newspaper,” Surkov also laid out Putin’s vision of returning Russia to its rightful role as a global superpower and exporting “Putinism” as an ideology to be adopted around the world.

“After having fallen from the USSR to the Russian Federation, Russia stopped collapsing and began to recover and return to its natural and only possible state as a large nation that is on the rise,” he wrote.

“The great role assigned to our country in the history of the world does not allow us to leave the stage or keep silent among the crowd….

It does not promise peace….

Putin’s great political machine is only gaining momentum and gearing up for a long, difficult, and interesting job,” Surkov continued.

He then went on to describe Putin as the founder of modern Russia, similar to the Turkish leader Mustafa Kemal Ataturk or France’s Charles de Gaulle.

“Putinism is the ideology of the future,” he wrote.

“The political system created in Russia is suitable not only for the future of local areas, it clearly has significant export potential.” ...”

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-president-vladimir-putin-election-americans-1327793

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Now check out this below from conservative (patriot) commentator Dan Bongino, May 17, 2019...

"Thanks to recently released notes from an interview the State Department’s Kathleen Kavalec had with dossier author Christopher Steele, a possible bombshell connection between Halper and the dossier has been uncovered.

As discussed earlier in the week on the podcast, those notes also demonstrate Steele failing to keep his story straight between the State Department and FBI, proving how unreliable he is.

In Kavalec’s handwritten notes from their interview she makes note of two of Steele’s dossier sources; “Trubnikov” and “Surkov.”

Surkov is Vladislav Surkov, an aide of Vladimir Putin who is on the U.S.’s list of sanctioned individuals, and Trubnikov is Vyacheslav Trubnikov, who is currently the First Deputy of Foreign Minister of Russia and formally served as the Director of Foreign Intelligence Service.

Interestingly, Trubnikov is an associate of Halper. ..."

https://bongino.com/new-document-exposes-two-russian-dossier-sources/


10 posted on 05/31/2019 6:56:03 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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To: SERKIT
If it is Russia's plan to disrupt politics in the USA, regardless of who is in office

Please stop with the BS! It should be an absolute no-brainer for everyone by now, at least on this site, that the Russians would, by light years, wanted Hillary over Trump-Pence. Obama-Biden-Hillary bent over backwards to appease the evil, expansionist Russians in such critical areas of missile defense, the New Start nuke treaty, the Iran nuke deal, Uranium-One! This, as they practically dismantled OUR OWN military. Use your head, boy! Wake up.

11 posted on 05/31/2019 7:16:07 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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It still amazes me that the RATs who loved the old Soviet Union when it was fully communist reject the new “reformed” Russia. I guess they hate ‘em for proving that the commie policies they want in America don’t work.


12 posted on 05/31/2019 8:29:53 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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It still amazes me that the RATs who loved the old Soviet Union when it was fully communist reject the new “reformed” Russia. I guess they hate ‘em for proving that the commie policies they want in America don’t work.

But I just laid it out that that "rejection" is nothing more than BS. A smokescreen to cover the fact that (they), while in power, had helped Russia in their effort to regain superpower strength, while at the same time they (the slime ball Obama-Biden=Hillary admin) substantially weakened OUR OWN military. One doesn't do these sorts of things if one truly and seriously viewed some other nation as an enemy (of theirs).

Here's something else to consider -- something that would beautifully tie all of this together, although it need not necessarily be the motive for what's behind it all...

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a [] 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ..."

"Golitsyn's argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government."

"Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn's thesis."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html
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Link to read "New Lies for Old" online:
https://archive.org/details/GolitsynAnatoleTheNewLiesForOldOnes
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Link to read "The Perestroika Deception" online:
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-TVvzZzfXiMBkMdvD
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"Gentlemen, Comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years.

These are primarily for outward consumption.

There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes.

Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep".

-- Mikhial Gorbachev, former President of the Soviet Union, to the Politburo in November of 1987.

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America’s Coming Crisis: Prophetic Warnings, Divine Destiny
By David N. Balmforth

13 posted on 05/31/2019 9:59:04 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Is that why the Russians sponsored rallied for both Hillary and Trump on the same day? The Russians want to disrupt everything and the Dems are their useful idiots. Wake up, boy!


14 posted on 05/31/2019 2:34:56 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: SERKIT
Is that why the Russians sponsored rallied for both Hillary and Trump on the same day? The Russians want to disrupt everything and the Dems are their useful idiots. Wake up, boy!

Yeah, and the ChiComs during Bill Clinton's ChinaGate scandal donated money to a few republicans too. Do you really not understand how these people operate?

15 posted on 05/31/2019 2:48:00 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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To: ETL

You can’t take yes for an answer, so I am done being your chewy you. Bye.


16 posted on 05/31/2019 3:08:23 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: ETL

Even politico has this: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/24/why-its-hard-to-take-democrats-seriously-on-russia-215415

Plus https://www.lifezette.com/2017/01/democrats-reverse-long-love-affair-with-russia/

Also https://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/09/us/reagan-denounces-ideology-of-soviet-as-focus-of-evil.html


17 posted on 06/02/2019 5:37:11 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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The Politico article was excellent, and I will use parts of it in the future. Thanks for linking to it. However, the 2nd one (”Democrats Reverse Long Love Affair with Russia —
Liberals’ newfound fear of the Kremlin at odds with their apologist past”) merely advances the BS that today’s Democrats (seriously) view Russia as an enemy and threat.

The Politico piece is 100% correct on the Obama-Biden-Hillary admin’s record on dealing with Russia, going into the many things that they did to help strengthen Putin’s position. However, I don’t know if it goes into the fact that they, the Obama-Biden-Hillary admin, at the same time, had sustainably and purposely weakened OUR OWN military position. Haven’t read the entire piece yet.

Here’s an excerpt from the Politico article...

“Today’s liberal Russia hawks would have us believe that they’ve always been clear-sighted about Kremlin perfidy and mischief. They’re displaying amnesia not just over a single law but the entire foreign policy record of the Obama administration.

From the reset, which it announced in early 2009 just months after Russia invaded Georgia, to its removal of missile defense systems in the Czech Republic and Poland later that year, to its ignoring Russia’s violations of the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (while simultaneously negotiating New START) and its ceding the ground in Syria to Russian military intervention, the Obama administration’s Russia policy was one, protracted, eight-year-long concession to Moscow.

Throughout his two terms in office, Obama played down the threat Russia posed to America’s allies, interests and values, and ridiculed those who warned otherwise.

“The traditional divisions between nations of the south and the north make no sense in an interconnected world nor do alignments of nations rooted in the cleavages of a long-gone Cold War,” Obama lectured the United Nations General Assembly in 2009, a more florid and verbose way of making the exact same criticism of supposed NATO obsolescence that liberals would later excoriate Trump for bluntly declaring.

When it abandoned missile defense installations in Poland and the Czech Republic that same year—announcing the decision on the anniversary of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland, no less—the Obama administration insisted that the move wasn’t about kowtowing to Moscow but rather more robustly preparing for the looming Iranian threat.

Notwithstanding the merits of that argument, perception matters in foreign policy, and the perception in Central and Eastern Europe was that America was abandoning its friends in order to satiate an adversary.

That characterizes the feelings of many American allies during the Obama years, whether Israelis and Sunni Arabs upset about a perceived tilt to Iran, or Japanese concerned about unwillingness to confront a revisionist China.

Liberals are absolutely right to criticize the Trump administration for its alienation of allies.

But they seem to have forgotten the record of the man who served as president for the eight years prior.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/24/why-its-hard-to-take-democrats-seriously-on-russia-215415

Thanks again for linking to this article!


18 posted on 06/02/2019 7:11:55 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine ! Click ETL)
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To: ETL
The Politico article was excellent, and I will use parts of it in the future. Thanks for linking to it. However, the 2nd one (”Democrats Reverse Long Love Affair with Russia — Liberals’ newfound fear of the Kremlin at odds with their apologist past”) merely advances the BS that today’s Democrats (seriously) view Russia as an enemy and threat.

I admit I really did not go thru the 2nd article. And they opposed Reagan who understood the Soviet danger, and Putin longs for a return to its power.

19 posted on 06/02/2019 9:15:44 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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I admit I really did not go thru the 2nd article. And they opposed Reagan who understood the Soviet danger, and Putin longs for a return to its power.

Absolutely true that the commie Dems embraced Russia during the Soviet Union era. My point is that, despite their smoke & mirrors tough talk on Russia today, they STILL are working with Russia to help them in their mission to basically restore that evil empire. Don't pay attention to their words, but rather to their *actions* during the Obama-Biden-Hillary years. As the old saying goes, "Action speaks louder than words". And in this case, MUCH louder. This was nothing more than an elaborate, highly sophisticated hoax, almost certainly concocted by the KGB/FSB Putin admin. His regime is loaded with former KGB and FSB people. They were/are masters of deception and disinformation.

20 posted on 06/02/2019 9:29:28 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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