Posted on 04/11/2019 7:27:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin
A government report released Thursday said kratom was a cause in 91 overdose deaths in 27 states. Officials previously said they knew of 44 nationally.
Most who died had also taken heroin, fentanyl or other drugs. But kratom was the only substance detected in seven of the deaths.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported the numbers after combing through death certificates and toxicology reports from an 18-month period.
Kratom comes from a plant native to Southeast Asia. It is sold in capsules and powders with claims that it helps ease pain, anxiety and drug dependence.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
A lot of people are able to get off hard drugs with kratom. It’s a lifesaver for many of them. It’s not an Opioid, but it works on the brain’s opioid receptors as I understand it.
It depends on dosage too. The optimal dose can make a substance a medicine. At a higher dose, it becomes a poison.
If I would have seen your post, I wouldn’t have bothered with mine. Good post.
[[gabapentin, that my doctor had prescribed 7 years ago for sciatica, before they made it a Schedule 1 drug. That IS physically addictive and cannot be kicked cold turkey.]]
Huh? After years on it i quit it cold turkey- no issues-
Absolutely agree.
The physician put me on 1,800 mg of gabapentin a day initially, which took away the nerve issue. I eventually cut back to 1,200 a day. Then she told me I should cut back further. That is when I started digging into why. Found out it had been relisted as a Schedule 1 narcotic. My doctor never told me why she wanted me to cut back. I had to figure it out. Once I did, I decided I wanted off. I tried cold turkey, made me sick. I spoke to my current physician and was told don’t do that, it could kill you. So I progressively back stepped down to 100 mg per day, and then quite all together.
I spent 50 years walking on steel decks of ships, or concrete and asphalt docks. Not good on the back, knees and feet.
Once I retired a second time, things got better. Now I walk on dirt for the most part. Plus use proper insoles. I am old, so I expect a certain amount of aches and pains. I have nothing that compares to the sciatica. I do stay fairly active.
Kratom does help with the occasional bouts of “Drat that just hurts”.
Sorry for the long answer.
Gunner
... and how many alcohol related deaths?
Gabapentin is not a schedule 1 drug.
Guess you were lucky.
I was not. It made me physically ill. Both physician and pharmacist said it was not a good idea.
Gabapentin has become an abuse drug that is being mixed with other narcotics for a higher.
Gunner
Guess my physicians lied to me.
Oh well.
Gunner
It looks like the pharmecutical companies may have been overstating the safety of Gabapentin. Nearly 33 percent of all overdose deaths in Tennessee are Gabapentin positive.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gabapentin-opioid-alternative-doctors-warning-about-drug/
Your post is very correct. However without analysis of the precise pharmaceutical effects of the herbal, conversation on this herbal is irrelevant. It may be a good herbal or very bad herbal.
cpdiii Pharmacist
I definitely agree. My general point is the just because something is labelled as ‘natural’, herbal, etc, doesn’t necessarily designate it as safe.
Unusual.
“Withdrawal symptoms typically emerge within 12 hours to 7 days after stopping gabapentin.[74][75] Some of the most commonly reported withdrawal symptoms include agitation, confusion, disorientation, upset stomach and sweating.[74] In some cases, users experienced delirium and withdrawal seizures, which may only respond to the re-administration of gabapentin”
Senna tea will definitely, uh, take care of business when things are not moving smoothly. :^) Chamomile is good for getting to sleep and other stuff.
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Posted on 04/11/2019 8:05:41 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3741418/posts
I was just wondering what you replaced it with, either supplements or other less addictive painkillers, or other treatments like pulsed emf or cold laser therapy.
Well i think im kind of a freak when it comes to quitting cold turkey- i was on opioids for several years- decided one day i didn’;t want them any longer, and quit- had mild withdrawals- nothing serious- maybe a little agitation- but really it was a breeze- I’ve been on them again for months here and there and never had issues with stopping- I did have issues when i quit smoking- that was awful- but none to speak of with drugs- the only problem i had was goign cold turkey off of prednisone- I didn’t know you were supposed to wean off them- wow- massive headache- Doc said i was lucky it didn’t damage me- or worse- anyway- i was surprised to see gabapentin had withdrawal effects when you p osted it-
for nerve pain- do vitamin B-12 AND Lion’s Mane- both are supposed to heal and regenerate nerves i guess- good for htings liek peripheral neuropathy pain- diabetic pain etc- also good for boosting memory and helping with mental problems like alzheimer’s and help with things like parkinsons-
Here’s a medical site’s take on Lion’s Mane:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23510212
I am always very cautious with discontinuation effects — have taken months to taper down the doses. I read about horrible experiences other people have had when stopping cold turkey but I have avoided these for the most part with titration. Ok, I kicked the chest of drawers one time (good thing I had a week to repair the damage).
My Son in Law was addicted to oxycontin. He needed it for chronic back and knee pain. He got off of it and went to Kratom. He reports no side effects, and says it helps with the pain better than Oxy. The makers of that drug definitely would lie to make sure people didn’t find this out. Hell, they would kill to make sure it was banned.
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