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To: jeffersondem
jeffersondem: "Did you really intend to say that the founders never intended for independence to be justified by good and strong reasons?"

No, but the term "at pleasure" comes to us from James Madison's letter to Nicholas Trist where he contrasts "at pleasure" to mutual consent and necessity.

We today still occasionally use the old term "at pleasure", in for example, saying: the President may fire his FBI director at pleasure, meaning for any reason whatever, or indeed for no particular reason.
The President does not have to explain, justify or seek approval for his at pleasure decisions.

By stark contrast, many presidential appointments do require mutual consent by the US Senate.
So even today we recognize the differences between at pleasure and mutual consent or necessity.

Our Founders defined "necessity" in their 1776 Declaration of Independence, listing about two dozen items to (their word) "prove" it.

In 1787 they defined "mutual consent" as 3/4 of states ratifying their new Constitution.
Neither necessity nor mutual consent existed in 1860 when Deep South Fire Eaters began declaring secession at pleasure.

jeffersondem: "You write from rote and, when combined willy-nilly with rehearsed phrases, you end up posting conflicting ideas in the same sentence."

Nonsense, but it's true enough I don't always predict correctly which direction your nit-picking brain will take an argument.

jeffersondem: "Still, I can’t help but like you."

It's often remarked that "we may soon forget what you said, but we never forget how you made us feel."
In terms of personal interactions here on Free Republic, I try my best simply to return in equal strength the persona a poster launches at me.
So, if you ask me a nice question, I'll try to give you a nice answer.
If you launch insults at me, I'll mirror image them back to you.

Of course, if you persist in posting nonsense long after it's been revealed as such, I do get a little frustrated, on occasion... ;-)

241 posted on 04/20/2019 4:43:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK
“No, but the term “at pleasure” comes to us from James Madison's letter to Nicholas Trist where he contrasts “at pleasure” to mutual consent and necessity.”

Could you please post a link to Madison's letter to Trist?

247 posted on 04/27/2019 6:29:32 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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