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To: Garth Tater
Here is the article link again.
On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman

Read the fine article. Being a sheepdog is NOT about lifting up the sheepdog. It is about protecting the fine sheep from harm in whatever form that harm might take.

From your post you seem to be of the opinion that:
1. If you can't see Justice being served it isn't happening. Justice takes many forms. It is only incidentally related to the laws on the books.
2. If you can't see justice being served it isn't being served.
3. You want to see it all regardless of the emotional harm it may cause to anyone else.

You wrote: "Justice is served up in the light. I think revenge might be a better word for what your sheepdogs are meting out but if us poor sheeps' sensibilities and feelings are your justification for hiding the just punishments of traitors then I don't think you understand what justice is and why it is required."

It appears that revenge is what you seek, collateral damage be damned. In this you are straying far too close to being the wolf you want punished rather than a sheep or sheepdog.

WWG1WGA

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

1,783 posted on 04/01/2019 9:45:09 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm
A mental image of what the sheepdog (or cattledog) is capable when need be:


1,809 posted on 04/01/2019 11:11:41 AM PDT by Darnright (We live in interesting times.)
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To: LonePalm
"From your post you seem to be of the opinion that:
1. If you can't see Justice being served it isn't happening."


Two essential qualities of justice are fairness and impartiality which is why we try accused criminals in open courts where the public can see that justice was done. You might want to read up a bit on history, dog, to see where star chambers and secret tribunals lead.

Hint: executions and incarcerations ordered by unknown men in secret proceedings and carried out in darkness are the tools of tyrants. They are not fair and they are not impartial. Not fair because the accused does not get to tell his side of the story before his punishment is carried out and his body hits the floor. And not impartial because power corrupts - and who among us, sitting on a secret tribunal, could resist a little personal payback if the opportunity arose...

I'm sure you have faith in your masters, dog, but history shows that faith to be often misplaced and many good men have fought and died to bring about our system where hidden men don't order us "disappeared" in the middle of the night.


"Justice takes many forms. It is only incidentally related to the laws on the books."

When justice is carried out by agents of the state it damn well better be related to the laws on the books as anything else is tyranny. And yes, tyrants have their trained dogs too.


"3. You want to see it all regardless of the emotional harm it may cause to anyone else."

Evil is a fact of life and hiding its nastiness away from our view does not protect us, it just assures that lessons won't be learned that might have delayed the next onset of the exact same evil. If all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing, why do you advocate hiding evil from us so we can not stand up together and do something about it?

You really do believe that only your mighty sheepdogs can handle the sight of evil and its aftereffects, don't you? What a bunch of lightweights you must run with to think so poorly of your fellow citizens. Freedom ain't cheap Fido, and we know the price must be paid - over and over again.


"It appears that revenge is what you seek, collateral damage be damned. In this you are straying far too close to being the wolf you want punished rather than a sheep or sheepdog."

Thanks for the threat dog, if I thought you were anything more than a toothless old dog sitting on his porch I'd respond in kind, but you're just an old man dreaming of his past glories running with the pack, aren't you?

Have a nice day Fido and don't forget to enjoy the show.


1,828 posted on 04/01/2019 4:01:57 PM PDT by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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