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An Honest Question
3-17-2019 | Myself

Posted on 03/17/2019 9:13:44 PM PDT by Crucial

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To: SpaceBar

I’m not all that sure Nixon was coerced. He even went so far as to embrace Keynesian public spending openly, never mind moving the dollar away from the gold standard. He could have vetoed so much of what he did pass, including very strange things such as the creation of Amtrak (instead of deregulating private railroads) and so many others.


21 posted on 03/17/2019 9:47:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Crucial

It seems to me that if good men and women had put a stop to the lunacy being mainstreamed when it began ramping up in the 60’s and 70’s, bad men and women wouldn’t have the upper hand in every facet of society now.

I suspect they were complacent, or thought the lunatics couldn’t possibly be a threat to the country, that the “fads” would all go away. But that wasn’t the plan. It was a decades-long concerted effort to take traditional America apart. While normal people were working, raising kids, etc., the lunatics were invading the schools, the courts, the government, and the churches. And here we are.

The future of this country is very uncertain, to say the least.


22 posted on 03/17/2019 9:50:09 PM PDT by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: Crucial

They’ve always been this way. The heart of liberalism is thinking you are smarter, more compassionate, and have better ideas than everyone else. You’re just a better person, doggone it, you can’t help it but that’s just the way it is, so you’re naturally obligated to tell others how to live and give them what they need.


23 posted on 03/17/2019 9:55:00 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Crucial

Put on your political glasses. What you’re seeing is an illusion. Democrats or socialist try to leverage every and any issue no matter how small or big the cost for the current or future cost of complications Of this.

For socialists the end justifies The means this is why they have no problem with eventually instituting reeducation camps or notification of the US Constitution purposefully spending money to break us and Keep us in debt to control the proletariat.


24 posted on 03/17/2019 10:02:56 PM PDT by Fhios
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To: Crucial

Its just their sleight of hand.

One of their primary tools is to manipulate guilt, and then offer themselves as absolution.


25 posted on 03/17/2019 10:04:29 PM PDT by marron
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To: Secret Agent Man; All

After posting this vanity I came to the realization that the Left is really simple. They call conservatives hateful and selfish but they are really, simply projecting. Conservatives give far more to charity than the Liberals. Conservatives disagree with liberal lifestyles for out of concern for individuals, their souls, society, and their country. Conservatives are both more generous and well meaning or altruistic. The Left, in the other hand are often selfish and hateful.

Their selfishness manifests through their extreme tribalism and what their tribe can gain. It manifests theough their support for socialism and extreme pro-union laws. Selling baby parts for money counts for selfishness, I would say.

Their hate manifests through censorship in the media and the internet, through calling conservatives Nazis or other derogatory names, through physical intimidation and threats, and through inhuman government policies like abortion, anti-self defense laws (gun control), anti-heterosexual speech, misandry, etc.

I think the Left’s hatred is directed at people who are nominally happy, who have embraced their natural selves and understand that life is a challenging struggle but can be mitigated through living a principled life. In short the Left is jealous of conservatives’ ability to be happy in an uncertain existence.


26 posted on 03/17/2019 10:07:56 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Notthereyet
When you think of it, though, the fact that the War to End
all Wars merely led to a road map to WWII, couldn't have
been known until the late thirties. There were no answers
to explain the war, because its beginnings were so trivial.
It needn't have been a disillusionment at the time.

The song, "How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm
after they've seen Paree?" was an indication of the result
of exposing soldiers to big city morals in Europe.

The Lost Generation referred to writers who left the US
for the greater freedom of expression abroad, not any
shift in American culture itself.

Art did change, largely from Art Nouveau to Art Deco,
superbly represented in the Chrysler building in NYC.

The increased use of cameras drove art towards being
non-representational.  When you think about it, an artist
who could represent reality perfectly was at the peak
of his career, doing something a camera did trivially.
When representational capture was perfected, how were
the new crop of artists supposed to break new ground?

27 posted on 03/17/2019 10:10:13 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Olog-hai

The late 60s and early 70s were the big hippie years. That’s when the government created things like the EPA, HUD and all those other initials — to placate rioting hippies.

Every one of those agencies created during that era should be shut down. COMPLETE waste of money.


28 posted on 03/17/2019 10:11:24 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think you spelled ‘fascist’ wrong.


29 posted on 03/17/2019 10:12:56 PM PDT by Delta 21
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To: Crucial

Yes they are projecting.

Crybullies project.

Socialists accuse their enemies of what they are doing.

Alinsky just called the rules lenin and stalin used as rules for radicals.

All libtards project.

Its because all libtards are fundamental hypocrites.


30 posted on 03/17/2019 10:14:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; All

They project because they are jealous of conservatives. Their narcissism won’t let them admit that existence is bigger than they are and it’s principles must be followed. This is the reason why liberals have so much trouble with the laws of economics.

It’s all about scarcity and liberals don’t believe in limits on themselves. Liberals cause their own unhappiness and hate those who manage to be happy through the SACRIFICE of living by principles.


31 posted on 03/17/2019 10:27:31 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Crucial

They took television and made it tunnel vision.


32 posted on 03/17/2019 10:27:52 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Crucial
Liberalism is dead, it was raped to death by Satan.
33 posted on 03/17/2019 10:37:52 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: Crucial
The Left today relies on the critique of cultural Marxism to shape and direct social change. In essence, cultural Marxism looks for divisions between the oppressors and the oppressed and fashions a rationale as to why those they see as oppressed have been wronged. Sympathy for the oppressed can easily be developed by portraying their suffering, with exaggeration and falsehood as needed.

Leftist propaganda for gays and transgendereds takes this form and can be hard to resist if one is uninformed. After all, why not treat people with more consideration and make some changes to bathrooms to ease their unhappiness. Most kids have no understanding of the policy issues in gay marriage and the genuine harm that can be done by treating the sexually confused as normal. Opponents are not so much refuted as ignored and ridiculed.

The best approach for opponents is to know the facts and arguments well, be civil, and to urge that fairness requires that opposing arguments be heard and considered.

34 posted on 03/17/2019 10:45:38 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: right way right

That’s quite a colorful picture.


35 posted on 03/17/2019 10:53:13 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Crucial

All of these impulses and modes of communication allow liberals to assume a standing of higher moral authority. That’s the core of it. If they can pretend to be or create the pretext that they are morally superior; they need not debate you on any sort of idea that springs forth from you or which you support. They can in fact have literally any idea they wish. Because it originates from a morally superior and of course better educated standing.

I think evansayet expresses it well. http://evansayet.com/ “how modern liberals think”

For example, if they are believers in global warming and you are a doubter or skeptic; they are the ones who assume the mantle of saving the planet; while you, even if you are right, are just interested in winning a logical debate. How could the two ever be equated? If they are right, they’ve saved the planet. If you’re right, you get to walk away with a smirk on your face.

As some other posters on this thread have said, some of this relates to the excision and negation of religion as a source of moral compass. A substitute had to be found; and a universal acceptance of behaviors previously frowned upon speaks to this attainment of a higher degree of morality and acceptance than your or my traditional religion(s) and the teachings therein. They can accept anything but you.

But I find the analysis more of an exercise in exploring minutiae for the sake of exploring minutiae. Ultimately, they want power over you. They believe they are better educated and as stated, of higher moral authority. They believe they have every right to verbally claim and physically enact superiority over you and yours. In truth; they think you are dirt. Once you understand that, the nuanced analysis becomes superfluous. They believe in tyrranical control of all who do not conform to their precepts; and given the opportunity, WILL enforce such a thing with whatever force they feel is necessary.


36 posted on 03/17/2019 10:58:10 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: Rockingham

Easing the suffering of those who don’t have the will or perhaps the will to be normal often creates a hardship for the normal. I don’t think it’s really out of compassion for most Leftists. I think they do it is out of spite. They can’t stand conservatives and this fact makes their behavior much more understandable and predictable. People have always been compassionate but not at the expense of making everyone else miserable.


37 posted on 03/17/2019 10:59:20 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Crucial

A lot of good answers to your questions in this thread.

I also think much of the left turn of American Society came in the early 1900’s when the authenticity of the Bible came to be questioned by the liberal Bible “scholars”. When the Word of God began to be questioned, it influenced all of our society eventually affecting our view of morality and of absolute truth. Without a belief in the TRUTH of the Bible, the basis for Western civilization/ the American “experiment” was removed eventually leaving us with the individual’s “judgement” of morality as the basis of our society’s culture.

It took awhile, but today’s resulting relative “morality” governs academia, media, entertainment, and many mainline church heirarchies have made our nation lose its way.

Sadly, it’s only going to get worse according to the Bible: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,....

We are seeing the groundwork being laid for the “man of sin”, the “lawless one”, the “son of perdition” to be revealed = the antichrist.


38 posted on 03/17/2019 11:10:26 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Secret Agent Man
".... Yeah i missed the meeting where they got installed as my moral arbiters....."

Yeah, I didn't get that memo either.

39 posted on 03/17/2019 11:14:48 PM PDT by HotHunt (Climate change is not an "inconvenient truth" but many convenient lies.)
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To: Crucial

I also meant to say - a good explanation of “why we are where we are” can be found in Francis Schaeffer’s book
How Should We Then Live.


40 posted on 03/17/2019 11:15:45 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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