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Ethiopian Airlines flight to Nairobi crashes, killing 157
Reuters ^ | 10 March 2019 | Duncan miriri

Posted on 03/10/2019 4:58:12 AM PDT by csvset

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To: GreenLanternCorps

So they said at the time, then grounded the entire fleet of them for weeks. During which, by the way, they found several other examples of similarly poor maintenance. What is the average person to think?


41 posted on 03/10/2019 6:39:25 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: BRL

BRL-

Prayers up for her and all on her flight.


42 posted on 03/10/2019 6:57:13 AM PDT by Notthereyet (NotThereYet)
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To: spetznaz
Earlier problems where 737s had a design problem with the rudders:

During the 1990s, a series of rudder issues on Boeing 737 aircraft resulted in multiple incidents. In two separate accidents, pilots lost control of their Boeing 737 aircraft due to a sudden and unexpected movement of the rudder, and the resulting crashes killed everyone aboard. A total of 157 people aboard the two aircraft were killed.

43 posted on 03/10/2019 7:02:54 AM PDT by caltaxed (ake)
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To: jalisco555

If I remember right there is something about airspeed correlation and stall warning activation because of the larger turbofans on the newer versions. Pilots were missing the fact that two sets of instruments had different readings and Boeing had to change operating manuals. I would be surprised if that were the case with Lion Air though as that was and older aircraft with over 90,000 cycles.


44 posted on 03/10/2019 7:06:29 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: jalisco555

Sorry I was thinking about the Texas crash, not Lion Air.


45 posted on 03/10/2019 7:08:18 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: csvset

fyi for future posts - an airliner going down isn’t “chit chat”, it belongs in News forum


46 posted on 03/10/2019 7:11:21 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: EnquiringMind

“I think Southwest recently added 800 MAX to their fleet”

As did American Airlines


47 posted on 03/10/2019 7:12:22 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: PIF
I think most African nations, like Middle-east nations, use a lot of ex-pats (Brits and Americans) for aircraft maintenance and logistics functions - but we can't be all places at all times.

Partly because it's in our blood, but also because the natives are notoriously lazy and slack when it come to "technical" things.

Not a racist view, just reality.

48 posted on 03/10/2019 7:16:35 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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To: Notthereyet

Thank you


49 posted on 03/10/2019 7:31:08 AM PDT by BRL
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To: Magnatron

My next door neighbor is a flight instructor for American. I’ll ask him about the lack of stick time. He says planes are so safe now that in flight problems are extremely rare.

He also says most of his instruction is done on simulators, not in planes.


50 posted on 03/10/2019 7:34:21 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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To: Psalm 73
Also the passengers where mostly musselmen ... so Kaboom. Yeah that part of the world suxs badly so Kaboom

51 posted on 03/10/2019 7:53:00 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SaxxonWoods

American has recognized the disparity between stick time and flight hours, and according to a pilot I had a conversation with a few weeks ago, have begun to push up the simulator time requirements.

Your friend is absolutely correct — flying is MUCH safer than it was, and this is due to the computerization of the planes. Pilot error — a leading cause of most accidents — has all but vanished in U.S.-based carriers, except in the most extreme circumstances. And more and more, these circumstances are a disconnect between what the computer is doing and what the pilot is doing. The pilots on the Air France flight were so preoccupied with troubleshooting the aircraft’s computer that they literally forgot to (or didn’t) fly the plane. The action they should have taken was fairly simple: Set the AoA and the thrust to correct parameters, then spend time figuring out what happened.

Lastly, simulator time is good, but it does remove the “Oh sh*t” factor. Pilots react vastly different when they are in the air than in a building. How you would train for this in the air, though, is difficult.


52 posted on 03/10/2019 8:05:23 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: csvset

“As many as 50 delegates are believed to have been on the plane heading to the UN Environment Assembly in Nairobi, which begins tomorrow.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791675/Ethiopian-Airlines-plane-way-Nairobi-crashes-157-people-board.html


53 posted on 03/10/2019 9:54:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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54 posted on 03/10/2019 9:55:52 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Moonman62

Don’t forget the cargo doors, the Turkish Airlines disaster, & the United flight over Sioux City.


55 posted on 03/10/2019 10:29:59 AM PDT by bobcat62
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