Interesting thread.
Paging Ed Straker.
As far as we know, only machines could last the time it would take travel interstellar...
“U” stands for unidentified: no conclusions can be drawn from something that is unknown. You can say nothing about it, because it is “unidentified.”
three aspects of UFO inquiry: physical evidence (crash sites and artifacts); - 0.00000000000000000
testimonials made by experiencers; — reliability = 0.000000000000%
and the persistence of belief whether or not there is verifiable evidence to support it — irrelevant to the issue of whether aliens have actually visited, 100.000000000% irrelevant
Ok, let’s get to the bottom line.
Assume there are UFOs. If they are so advanced that they can get here from wherever, and they don’t want to contact us, their existence means nothing.
If they want to contact us, they will.
If they are that advanced, we would be to them what chimps armed with guns would be to us. A threat that would be easily neutralized.
It’s fun to speculate, but ultimately means nothing.
I’ll believe it when they try to probe me.
Paging von Daniken?
UFOs are indeed real. What they actually are and who is in possession of them is still up for debate.
A. Extra Terrestrials?
B. The Military?
C. From the Future?
D. Another dimension?
E. All of these?
I’ve seen “something” twice in my life.
Once by myself in the daytime in my backyard - a silver, flying disc maybe as big as a schoolbus appeared overhead out of the forest behind the house (circa 1966), and
Once with at least a dozen others at night, a huge triangle shape, between the coal power plant and Indian Point on the Hudson River - 1984.
Both close to West Point fwiw.
Had an interesting discussion with someone a few weeks (months? time flies) back. Claimed to have seen them. More than one type.
According to this fellow, they’re in cahoots with the gubmint and hanging out at secret bases underground, connected by tunnels. Long tunnels. With trains. Fast trains.
The story is that they’re preparing our species for contact with the greater galaxy, but a) our technology level is too low and b) our society is dysfunctional.
So, in a classic application of carrot and stick, or at least carrot anyway, as our society makes progress toward a one-world socialist utopia, they reward us from time to time with a technological carrot. Transistors, computers, cell phones, Elon’s underground choo-choo, that sort of thing.
All until someday we achieve our global techno-socialist utopia and are ready to join the galactic society. Or something like that.
If you believe it.
Is it science? Is it religion??? I dunno.
If nothing else, it would somewhat explain the pseudo-religious fanaticism exhibited by the left, in their worship of a failed political ideology.
Or he might have had too much to drink, and it’s a shovelful of bunk.
I’m more inclined to the latter, but it does make for a rather amusing story, don’t you think?
Perhaps some aspiring sci-fi author should get on the case. Or maybe they already have.
:)
I don’t know what they are, but there is something. Based on on how the Air Force reacted to the something I know about, that something has to be damn interesting. NASA Mission Control center lockdown and downlink tapes confiscation in 1996.
She correctly calls it a belief system because it is certainly a religious belief. One can hardly believe in evolution without believing in life on other planets.
Two things...
1. I have a relative who has been involved with military intelligence for a very long time. He has briefed Presidents on security matters. He worked with/for the labs out here in New Mexico for many years.
I would like to tease him about the intelligence he was not even allowed to acknowledge, forget about discussing it. One time, after he was particular put out, we had the following discussion:
Him, “You like science fiction, don’t you?”
Me, “You know I do.”
“So you think we might have some high tech stuff that we keep secret.”
“Of course.”
“Well take what you think we have, add 100 years, and you’re getting close.”
Item 2...
In 1974 there was an uptick in interest in UFO’s. One of our local radio stations had a guy who did remote broadcasts at events who, on the air, was claiming that he was watching a UFO, near Lockhart Stadium (Fort Lauderdale). My dad, who usually scoffed as such stuff, got a gleam in his eye and said, “Let’s go find him.”
So we jumped in his VW Bug and high tailed it to the stadium. As we came around the corner of the stadium and were cutting across the parking lot, a low flying ball/oval of light crossed our path, about 100 yards ahead of us, with a WFTL van in hot pursuit. We sat there with our mouths hanging open as the ball sped up, crossed Commercial Boulevard, and took off nearly vertically at a high rate of speed. What was particularly eerie was the silence. The thing made no noise at all.
My father was a no-nonsense kind of guy, a school teacher, who never liked sci-fi. Every now and then our experience would come up in conversation and we were both in agreement that it wasn’t a plane, or helicopter, or blimp, or balloon. It was under some sort of control and it scared the crap out of both of us.
So, in summary, I believe that there is SOMETHING to the UFO reports. Whether they are our craft or from somewhere else is way beyond my pay grade.
Cool. Then lead me to one.
It’s pure BS no more real than believing in Odin and Loki.
If, in the end, “climate change” doesn’t succeed as the global enemy the globalists need to cow the people of the whole world, evidence of “approaching asteroids” will happen, and if that fails, they will move on to evidence of impending “alien invasion”. (and never mind that alien invasion on the Mexico border)