*Something he does not get into much is the increasingly later maturity of males. Whereas many of us "Boomers" were expecting full time jobs and, usually, career paths by our mid-20s at the latest, boys today stay juveniles longer and play longer. They delay marriage.
*One result of this is that driven, career-oriented single women for the first time are working longer and harder than single men from about 25-35. That STILL doesn't change the basic dynamic that George Gilder alluded to in the 1980s, which is that MARRIED men work 2-4 TIMES harder (as defined by studies of work effort) than single women, single men, or married women. I call this the "bring home the bacon effect."
*Hanna Rosen's article "The End of Men," which triggered this response, also has a major weakness in citing the rising number of women employed in services. Yes, some of those are law and medicine, accounting and bookkeeping. These are higher paying occupations. But the majority of services are in sales, marketing, and in particular jobs that can be replaced by robotics or on-line shopping . . . which is robotics. (Take a look at an Amazon facility).
*While the medical profession is often cited as an area where "women are taking over," this is nonsense. There are far more primary care doctors who are women, but those doctors are earning less than ever. Moreover, an increasing number of those doctors aren't doctors at all but are physicians' assistants---nurses.
In short, the crisis today is IMMATURE MEN who do not get married until their 30s or 40s. This, as Gilder again shows, places extreme pressure on 30 and 40-year-old women who have to compete with 20-year-olds. Maybe the $$ they have made for 10-20 years in their careers is enough to cause men to choose them over younger women, but maybe not.
There is, I think, a dynamic going on at the population level that we see manifest in the fact that many young men are living with their parents well into adulthood, and many young women just are not interested in family.
Look up the “mouse utopia experiment.”
I saw a video on this set of experiments, which ran for years and always produced similar results in both mice and rats. When placed into a habitat where all of their needs were met, the mice thrived at first. But at a certain population level, they started displaying aberrant behavior. For a while, the population remained roughly constant but the behavior became more and more pathological. Finally, young male mice became interested only in grooming themselves and the females displayed male-like behaviors. Fewer females became pregnant; those that did would often resorb the fetuses or abandon the pups after birth. When these behaviors became more widespread, the population went into a nosedive. Even after the population pressures were relieved, normal mouse behavior did not return since none of the mice had been properly socialized. The colonies always died out.
The problem was not lack of resources. The mice always had enough food and water. The problem was that at a certain population density, normal social structures became impossible to maintain.
I see a lot of similarity between the mouse behaviors that were observed in the mouse utopia experiments and human behaviors that we are seeing worldwide. The worst behaviors are always seen in the cities; the most bizarre socialist ideas also come from the cities. And the cities are where people are crammed together to the point where social structures are severely impacted.
I have limited sympathy for these women.
When I was in my early 20s, I regularly ran into 'income snobbery' by women of approximately the same age who wanted a doctor or lawyer along with the attendant salary. The average joe just wasn't good enough.
And now they complain about competition from other 20 year old women when they decided the pickings weren't good enough?
Pfffft!
From the men's point of view, it means no dates or relationships while young, while you get to watch the women you'd want sleeping with rock band drummers or other hit messes; seeing the women hired and promoted ahead if you; then when you finally get attention from one at age 29-32, she's much more sexually experienced than you and at a higher rung on the career ladder, therefore (sincecwomen marry up), she's doubly dissatisfied with you; then, she takes half your stuff and you get to see your own kids twice a month, if you're lucky: and IF she doesn't poison their minds against you.
Why join the rat race just to get shafted? Especially when a lot of your earnings just go to support politicians, govt. workers, illegals, and 3rd generation welfare cheats.
The system is rigged, white men (the engines of productive society) are dropping out.
Unless thus really is white genocide on the installment plan, they should've used more carrot, less stick.
This “the end of men” meme is kinda comical. I see it this way: We are just adhering to Dalton’s line in “Roadhouse”.
“Be nice, until it’s time to not be nice.”
boys today stay juveniles longer and play longer. They delay marriage.
The minimization of male relevance coupled with outright bludgeoning by use of ‘male toxicity’ finds the sound of male rejection of society to be that of birds coming home to roost.
No. I don’t think that’s the issue at all. Blaming men won’t get you anywhere.
Part of the issue is the enormous push for everyone to go to college. So many young people are right now taking on enormous amounts of debt. And it’s taking them longer and longer to establish their careers and their lives. It’s actually one reason fewer men are going to college now. The cost-benefit analysis makes many young men wonder if college is even worth it. Not to mention how hostile college campuses have become towards men.
The other part of the issue is the quality of women is truly bad. And I am not talking about physical appearances. That has nothing to do with it. 80% of divorces are initiated by women. And the laws are heavily skewed in her favor when it comes to such matters of divorce, alimony, child support, and child custody. Men are starting to realize the enormous financial and psychological risk he takes in marriage.
Not to mention women have ideas of equality screwed up by the 3rd wave intersectional feminists that blame men (white men especially) for everything that’s wrong with the world. They aim to destroy the family unit and crush any element of gender roles for women that exist, but want to make sure men keep their roles. So many women have this sense of entitlement and want to cherry-pick the equality. I have myself gone out on dates before with women that make more money than me. But I’m still expected to be the man and shell out 100% of the dinner bill. And if I don’t, does that make me “immature?”
I’m sorry. But blaming only men for all this is ridiculous. I don’t blame any man for avoiding marriage. In the western world today, it’s become a trap with few advantages.
Having raised two men who are now in their mid twenties there are many social issues. My opinion are based on southern white middle class point of view only.
I am divorced from their mother - just a fact but adds insight in how a woman reacts to males growing up when not lead by a strong male head of house. My boys spent a majority of their time with me starting around 12/14 when the split occurred. It increased as they aged. Now they are on their own and they make their time choices wisely as far as I can tell. They both honor their mother and father.
One issue is girls are being raised as little princess into womanhood. Not good. Not all but a majority. In the desire to teach girls to be strong, it turned into not needing men, men are weak, men are enemies. You can’t build someone up by destroying someone else. It doesn’t work. Society no longer even bothers to teach that girls and boys will grow up to become a man and woman together as a team. So we created distrust and competition where there should not be.
Another issue is women don’t appreciate working men. Degree male making 60K = good. Trades but no degree making 85K is not good enough.
Corporate decisions have segregated areas into female / minority functions. Males need not apply. Not 100 percent but definitely biased. So degree male in one of those areas has much to overcome.
Boys in modern education are forced to compete and learn in a environment that is tailored for girls. Doesn’t allow males to mature forces immaturity on males. They have to wait to get out to mature properly but now the have learn to mature and are already behind mentally and hormones are off. Areas where this can be jump started are in areas like sports. Football is a good outlet of controlled physical activity, competition and (yes violence) in good and male lead areas. This assumes the males can make the teams, have qualified oversight / coaches.
Parents need to be parents. Not friends not busy but leaders, examples.