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To: CDR Kerchner

Sorry, but Vattel did NOT use the term NBC. He used the term “indigenes”, which is both an English and a French word with the same meaning in each - an indigenous person. The first time NBC was connected to Vattel was in an American translation made 10 years AFTER the US Constitution was written.

Natural born citizen was simply an update of “Natural Born Subject” - a term long used and well known to the Framers. In fact, before the revolution, they wrote to King George and called themselves natural born subjects.

The Mass legislature used NBS and NBC interchangeably:

In July, 1786, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING JONATHAN CURSON AND WILLIAM OLIVER” in which it was declared that Jonathan Curson and William Oliver “shall be deemed adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born citizens.”

In March, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING WILLIAM MARTIN AND OTHERS.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born subjects.”

In March, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING EDWARD WYER AND OTHERS THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken, to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born subjects.”

In October, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING BARTHOLOMY DE GREGOIRE, AND MARIA THERESA, HIS WIFE, AND THEIR CHILDREN.” in which it was declared that Bartholomy de Gregoire, and Maria Theresa, his wife, their children,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, rights and privileges of natural born citizens.”

In November, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING ALEXANDER MOORE, AND OTHERS, HEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that Alexander Moore and others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free citizens of this Commonwealth, & entitled to all the privileges, liberties, and immunities of natural born subjects.”

In June, 1788, the Massachusetts legislature passed, “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING WILLIAM MENZIES, AND OTHERS, THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that William Menzies and others “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free citizens of this Commonwealth, and intitled to all the liberties, privileges & immunities of natural born subjects.”

In November, 1788, the Massachusetts legislature passed, “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING ELISHA BOURN, AND OTHERS, THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that Elisha Bourn and others “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, & entitled to all the liberties, privileges & immunities of natural born Citizens.”

In February, 1789, the Massachusetts legislature passed, “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING JAMES HUYMAN, AND OTHERS, THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that James Huyman and others “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the Liberties, Privileges and Immunities of natural born subjects.”

And the US Supreme Court has already said the term NBC is rooted in English Common Law:

“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.” - Wong Kim Ark


8 posted on 01/16/2019 7:21:06 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Mr Rogers

You left out a word in Vattel’s legal treatise definition of “natural born Citizen” — naturels. Naturels was a term translated in treaty negotiating letters in French to the founders which they translated to American English as “natural born” ... and after which Vattel clearly defined who the “naturels” were in his Natural Law treatise ... children born in the country of parents who were citizens. I think you did that on purpose. Hmmh, wonder why ... Convenient omissions in the arguments to down play the influence of Vattel’s writings on the founders and framers contemporaneously with the American Revolution. Read these articles for more historical and contemporary legal treatise sources of the meaning and understanding of the constitutional presidential and commander in chief eligibility requirement - “natural born Citizen”: https://www.scribd.com/user/52640192/protectourliberty/lists


12 posted on 01/16/2019 7:35:46 PM PST by CDR Kerchner (natural born Citizen, natural law, Emer de Vattel, naturels, presidential, eligibility)
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To: Mr Rogers

Direct list to the collection of historical and other articles on the intent, meaning, and understanding of the term “natural born Citizen” as it was used by the founders and framers: https://www.scribd.com/lists/3301209/Papers-Discussing-Natural-Born-Citizen-Meaning-to-Constitutional-Standards


14 posted on 01/16/2019 7:40:07 PM PST by CDR Kerchner (natural born Citizen, natural law, Emer de Vattel, naturels, presidential, eligibility)
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