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OK What did Steve King say? Because he says he was talking about Western Civilization and as USUAL REPULICAN’S attack him. They all need to go, ain’t a one of them worth a crap.
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Here’s a link to the thread that quotes the interview. Seems to me, it was pretty harmless. It looks to me like he was talking about the term Western Civilization, but had mentioned other things-Western Civ was the last on the list, and he expounded on it.

I object to the conversion of White Nationalist into some sort of Klu Klux Clan racist person.

To me a Nationalist is some one who believes in borders and national Sovereignty - a Patriot. And adding the term White or black to turn it into a pejorative is racist. And that is what the left is doing.

The left is continually coming up with new terms to denigrate patriots. Sick of it.

I am not familiar with this guy. So maybe he is a racist, and they have other knowledge, but the actual interview looked like they are making a mountain of a molehill. Maybe he’s not on the Derp train.


705 posted on 01/15/2019 5:29:02 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Thanks. I think he’s not a derp. But who knows? I do know that Pubs never rally to the aid of other pubs.


768 posted on 01/15/2019 7:27:14 PM PST by defconw (WWG1WGA! MAGA)
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To: greeneyes; All; bagster
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Note 2: for TL/DR crowd: "White Nationalism" must always be denounced as evil. Anyone not following this rule is evil themselves. Steve King broke this rule and is being punished.

Greeneyes wrote:

To me a Nationalist is some one who believes in borders and national Sovereignty - a Patriot. And adding the term White or black to turn it into a pejorative is racist. And that is what the left is doing.

The terms 'white nationalist' and 'black nationalist' have been in common use for decades and have clear meanings. Perhaps you are not familiar with them, but it is incorrect to claim that "the Left" is modifying these terms to turn them into pejorative or racist terms.

The term 'nationalist' is generic, and it's almost always has an adjective applied in front of it like "Russian nationalist" "French nationalist. Nationalism, after all, is the preference for the particular over the universal. Most people today contrast "nationalism" with "globalism". Nationalist almost requires a further adjective to make it complete.

I learned about Black Nationalism in the 1960s in high school where I had a black English teacher who was a self-described Black Nationalist. The online dictionary says:

"advocacy of or support for unity and political self-determination for black people, especially in the form of a separate black nation."

There is a Wikipedia article on Black Nationalism, and it traces the origin of the movement back to the 1800s and the inspiration of the "successful" Haitian revolution. Jumping ahead we learn:

...(the) modern form of black nationalism that stressed the need to separate blacks from non-blacks and build separate communities that would promote racial pride and collectivize resources.

The new ideology became the philosophy of groups like the Moorish Science Temple and the Nation of Islam. By 1930, Wallace Fard Muhammad had founded the Nation of Islam. His method to spread information about the Nation of Islam used unconventional tactics to recruit individuals in Detroit, Michigan.

Later on, Elijah Muhammad would lead the Nation of Islam and become a mentor to people like Malcolm X.[6] Although the 1960s brought a period of heightened religious, cultural and political nationalism, it was black nationalism that would lead the promotion of Afrocentrism.

So, Black Nationalism is simply a descriptive term for a political philosophy that is over 100 years old.

Lots of leftists describe themselves as "Black Nationalist" and suffer no consequences for doing so, including my high school English teacher in the early 1970s. It's not that controversial, and certainly every Black Studies professor is very familiar with the term and free to use it in describing certain people or movements.

White Nationalism, however, has been turned into a pejorative. This is similar to the way "black pride" is universally viewed as a great thing, public schools are very concerned with inculcating "black pride" in black students, whereas "white pride" is considered evil, and a racist concept by large swaths of people (All liberals and many conservativess)

This is a double standard, obviously. But it's still defacto what these terms mean.

Suprisingly (because it's relatively neutral) the Wikipedia article for White Nationalism has this introduction:

White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white national identity.

Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation. White nationalists say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race, and the cultures of traditionally white ethnic groups. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost.

Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, immigration of nonwhites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race, and some believe these things are being promoted as part of an attempted white genocide.

In everyday common usage, and in politics, it's way simpler:

Steve King failed to adhere to the Prevailing Orthodoxy on this, and is being publicly flogged for it.

Other examples of public figures failing to vigorously condemn White Nationalism are Trump's famous first comments on the Charlottsville riots:

“I think there is blame on both sides,” the president told reporters that day in August 2017.

“You had some very bad people in that group," Trump said, referring to the white nationalist groups rallying against removal of a Confederate statue. "But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”

Trump was eventually forced to restate his position after days of withering criticism by upholders of the Prevailing Orthodoxy - which says: all examples of or references to White Nationalism must be condemned vociferously.

Steve King didn't do this. He may yet lose his seat over it.

1,036 posted on 01/16/2019 11:48:33 AM PST by Jack Black ("If you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer" - "Superstition",Stevie Wonder)
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