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To: greeneyes

There was a discussion regarding Flynn and the Judge’s use of the word “fulsome” that some followers of the Q posts thought had meaning. It was suggested that the Judge was pointing out that he was aware of Project Fulsome, a GCHQ operation to surveil Trump in NY.

To me, it sounded like standard legal terminology that just rolls off the tongue when it’s said often enough. “Fulsome assistance of counsel”. My thought was that it may have been a line from a Supreme Court case that everyone uses or something like that. So I conducted a short search.

I didn’t find a Supreme Court case with that language, but I didn’t use Lexis or Westlaw, just Duckduckgo. I did find lots of use of the phrase in the same context. For example, at http://www.ebslawyers.com/collateral-consequences-and-withdrawing-a-guilty-plea/, the statement was made:

“A criminal conviction can have far-reaching consequences beyond the charge and direct punishment resulting from a finding of guilt. An accused must be sure to satisfy him or herself that they are aware these collateral consequences prior to entering a plea. A thorough and fulsome discussion with counsel is always in order before an accused makes a decision whether to enter a guilty plea.”

Then, in this article https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=1b09a612-8b4f-40d4-be38-66d800c2301a, it was said:

“As a practical matter, Class may help some defendants with current appeals of their guilty plea convictions, but going forward, prosecutors may respond to Class by requiring more fulsome and express waivers of appeal as part of a plea bargain.”.

So, based on what I am finding, I would not place much meaning in the Judge’s use of the word “fulsome”. It’s just a weasel word that lawyers use in that situation.


148 posted on 12/22/2018 8:38:14 AM PST by Defiant (I may be deplorable, but I'm not getting in that basket.)
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To: Defiant

So, based on what I am finding, I would not place much meaning in the Judge’s use of the word “fulsome”. It’s just a weasel word that lawyers use in that situation.
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I myself didn’t think there was anything unusual to hear “fulsome” in a legal proceeding. Although, it seems some people like to have double meanings for many things.


265 posted on 12/22/2018 1:36:52 PM PST by greeneyes
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