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To: BroJoeK
The U.S. Constitution is clear & direct in its definition of "treason" -- waging war against the USA or providing aid & comfort to our enemy.

I don't recall hearing of any convictions for "Treason." Perhaps you could remind me of when those happened?

So Lincoln's release of Ohio Congressman Vallanigham to Confederates only demonstrates that Lincoln had a great sense of humor!

It demonstrates he had no qualms about doing whatever he thought he could get away with and the Constitutional be D@mned.

So you are claiming Vallanigham committed treason by criticizing a President who started a war that killed more people in single battles than the entire casualties of all previous wars?

Doesn't the constitution require at least two witnesses to convict someone of treason? And I must have missed the part where Military Tribunals (Military is under the direct command of the President) were part of "due process."

44 posted on 12/03/2018 9:13:44 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "I don't recall hearing of any convictions for "Treason."
Perhaps you could remind me of when those happened? "

Both Union & Confederate officials arrested & held thousands of anti-war citizens.
I couldn't say how many were tried or convicted on what charges, but both sides did it in roughly equal proportions.

DiogenesLamp: "It demonstrates he had no qualms about doing whatever he thought he could get away with and the Constitutional be D@mned."

The Constitution is absolutely clear that giving aid and comfort to those at war against the United States is treason.
What's remarkable is that Lincoln chose as "punishment" to turn the good congressman over to his Confederate friends.

DiogenesLamp: "So you are claiming Vallanigham committed treason by criticizing a President who started a war that killed more people in single battles than the entire casualties of all previous wars? "

No, I don't think Vallanigham ever criticized Jefferson Davis and doubt if Vallanigham would be arrested by Lincoln if he did.
Anyway, the Constitution is clear on the subject of giving aid & comfort and seems to me that's what Vallanigham did.
Of course I wasn't there, and haven't studied the legalities...

DiogenesLamp: "Doesn't the constitution require at least two witnesses to convict someone of treason?
And I must have missed the part where Military Tribunals (Military is under the direct command of the President) were part of 'due process.' "

Sure, the Constitution is clear in authorizing Congress to set punishments for treason.
Congress is also the logical authority for defining "due process".
But again I note that both sides arrested & held thousands for their anti-war views, not at all clear what "due process" was ever followed.

47 posted on 12/04/2018 10:47:24 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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