[YouTube video] Posters ask very important question about "Camp Fire Video on Skyay"

YouTube ^ | Richard Silva [poster]

[palmer]

You may be right. Burning fuel can create a lot of heat, but a lot of that will go upwards. But with enough wind the flames can blowtorch at least two of the wheels.

[amorphous]

I see what looks like asphalt pavement, which comes from the bottom of the cracking tower in the refining of oil process. Molten aluminum should burn asphalt, or at least melt asphalt, yet most don't appear not that damaged. A lot of rock content might be one answer.

I also see a lot concrete driveways. Some of the driveways appear to have signs of spalling (chips of concrete popping off). apparently from high heat, while the plastic trashcans nearby are hardly damaged, and the cars nearby have their rims totally melted. I'm guessing the wind directed heat/fire in a certain direction, sparing other things like the greenery, plastic cans, etc., nearby??

[amorphous]

Has to be either wind raising the temp of the fire and causing a blowtorch effect, or microwave energy! ;-)

The image of the melted rims you posted appears to be from a wind blown fire?

[Ndorfin]

Are people really this stupid? Has no one ever seen a fire move?

I am embarrassed to see that people actually are even discussing somthing this asinine.

THIS IS HOW FIRE WORKS!

[dangus]

Pine trees give off huge amounts of aromatic compounds, which happen to smell nice, but in organic chemistry means phenol-based compounds. They are EXTREME flammable, but are outgassed BEFORE the wood burns. Thus, in a chimney they are very dangerous becuase they coat the chimney with a highly flammable substance.

In forest fires, these can ignite after they leave the trees, making the pine trees operate almost like roman candles. But amazingly, they can remain themselves unburned.

[palmer]

Yes, that was the Gatlinburg TN fire. Wind is more rare there than in California but it is estimated they had winds up to 60 mph.

[amorphous]

But with enough wind the flames can blowtorch at least two of the wheels.

One would think, but I saw some, IIRC, with all four rims totally melted off - nothing left but the wheel nuts. And the small utility trailer I saw with the twisted tongue, I can't explain that, at least not from looking at the video - that's in the video I linked to.

Also, I tried to find the image of the stores in the large parking area I mentioned, it's in a Youtube video called ***The Horrible Truth About The Northern California Fires***, but it seems to be missing now - I did save a screen shot though.

If those building had wooden shake roofs, then that may explain why three largely separated stores in a large parking area were totally destroyed while their greenery was mostly unharmed.

[amorphous]

Wind is more rare there than in California but it is estimated they had winds up to 60 mph.

Okay, I think we're both coming to the same conclusion then.

Where I live, winds of that speed are even more rare. Maybe that explains why I've never seen totally melted rims on burned vehicles. Wind blown fire is going to be much hotter, like a blacksmith's forge with an attached bellows, supplying more oxygen.

[palmer]

Yes, shake roofs are bad and a possible cause. But there are other potential fire entry points as well. See video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vh4cQdH26g

[amorphous]

Thanks.

[righttackle44]

Are people really this stupid? Has no one ever seen a fire move?

So VERY glad you're so much smarter than everyone else.

By the way, are you a Democrat?

[logi_cal869]

Guy’s driving through a burned out rural community without electricity service with under a 1/4 tank of gas.

Smart. /s

[TXnMA]

"The whole thing looks like DEW and certainly not a “Camp Fire”."

WTH is this wacko thing called "DEW" you keep babbling about?

Something supposedly related to our fixed-azimuth cold war Distant Early Warning Line radars near the Arctic circle?

Please "enlighten" us...

TXnMA
 

[TXnMA]

"Melted the rims?"

"Unreal."

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Aluminum alloys.

Ever hear of melting beer cans and pouring the melt down fire ant holes?

Several videos on the subject on YouTube...

Pure aluminium metal melts at 1,221°F (660.32°C). Eutectic mixtures (alloys -- as used in wheels) melt at considerably lower temperatures.

(Analogy: pure Tin & Lead -- vs -- 63%/37% solder...)

Real.

TXnMA
 

[TXnMA]

Ever seen plastic trashcans full of gasoline (like cars)?

Ever consider the extreme high combustion temperature of tire rubber? (Routinely used for softening large pipeline sections for bending with "Cats"...)

Ever consider melting point of aluminum alloys? (See #54...)

Not everything "odd" is inexplicable -- when you take physics and materials science into consideration.

TXnMA
 

[RinaseaofDs]

Nice! Thank you.

[amorphous]

Not everything "odd" is inexplicable...

LOL! Coming from a Qfer, that's pretty damn funny! :)

[TXnMA]

I have sound reason for having created -- and for including including the "" in my signature: I enjoy the displays of ignorance engendered by it.

I use it unreservedly, and with confidence, because I recognize and understand the "Q" comms (both style/format and content).

As you can see, I'm no noob here, (10 days away from my 18th FR anniversary) and am neither a conspiracy theorist nor a gullible acolyte.

Thank you for contributing to my list of FReepers to be re-visited -- to see who has the last laugh... Nous verrons... '-)

Confidently,
TXnMA
 

[TXnMA]

You're welcome!

Some of those fire ant nest castings are real works of art:

TXnMA
 

[amorphous]

I find it quite hypocritical of you implying others are conspiracy theorists for discussing oddities in a fire, and for trying to understand what may have caused them, when many consider "Q" followers the very definition of a "conspiracy nut". BTW, I follow "Q" too. I just don't broadcast it. So forget ever having an "I told you so" orgasm with me.

And if you take the time to carefully review my posts in the thread, you'll see where I mention the approx. melting point of aluminum in a joint effort with others to understand how melted aluminum could flow so far from the point of origination.

Purposeful open air burning of automobile tires has been outlawed in most states for a large number of years now. I doubt they're still being used to heat and bend pipelines - which could create stresses in the pipe that might lead to an eventual rupture - and a practice I'm sure the Office of Pipeline Safety would love to know about.

Some of us here have welded more aluminum, bent more steel, ran and worked on more dozers, and other special purpose equipment than you've probably ever seen, not to mention earned awards, accolades, and news interviews concerning firefighting, bud.