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To: Lazamataz; TEXOKIE; generally; defconw; JockoManning; bagster; All

Thanks for posting. Sad to say, your theory is not Nutty. At the risk of being boring, I’d like to mention a few things that happened on my way to understanding this.

I was in high school when JFK was assassinated. My granny said LBJ did it. I was stunned speechless, and wondered if she might be getting senile. Nothing in my experience had ever made me mistrust the Govt. or the News.

I did think the Warren report was strange, but Bobby seemed to accept it, so I figured that it was Russians or Castro, and they didn’t want to risk nuclear war.

A few years later, I read the Book “A Choice Not and Echo” by Phyllis Schafly -(remember her- she led the fight to defeat the equal rights amendment and the press always portrayed her as a kook).

A single paragraph in that book, caused me to do a lot of research. She talked about the “Kingmakers” who met with potential candidates to get their agreement for their agenda. She talked about relatively unknown people suddenly on the stage portrayed as the best thing since George Washington.

The belonged to a group called the Bilderbergers, she said. Naturally the media hooted and called her nuts, and claimed there was no such group. (Remember when the existence of NSA was denied as No Such Agency). Well the Bilderbergers are just as real as the NSA. In addition to the scheming UN, there’s also the CFR, Council of 300, trilateral commission, skull and bones, etc. the list is long.

My focus at first was JFK, the Bilderbergers, the UN, and anything interesting that came up as I searched this stuff.

However, along the way, I lived through the Church hearings, Nixon driven out of office, bombings and riots, near economic collapse and so many interesting things.

At any rate, back to the subject at hand. MK Ultra-there were congressional hearings-yes they were trying to create Manchurian candidates and assassins that could be triggered and afterward have no memory of the programming. The Unabomber was but one of the people they practiced on.

Even worse, the people were unwitting subjects in many cases. How could the good guys be involved in such things?

That led to information about CIA and Operation Paperclip-Nazis joined the intelligence ranks. The mafia deal with Luciano to help make the shipyards/docks safe during WWII.
Seems that parts of the CIA might be undesirables and it was compromised from the beginning.

Of course the Government told us that they suspended the MK Ultra program. I am sure they did-they wouldn’t lie about it would they?

However, I am sure the experiments continued with a different name and less medieval techniques, and whistleblowers have made those claims.

One recent you tube former “insider” claimed that within 3 days using todays medications and technology they can have an assassin ready to go with the proper subject.

Of course that nutty guy named Cooper (he believed his military commanders when they told him ET was real) wrote a book and told us that they were going to allow the importation/smuggling of AK47s and there was going to be mass shootings a schools until the American people BEGGED the Government to take our guns.

Medications such as SSRIs have a side effect on some people of homicidal/suicidal ideation. I have reviewed many articles that documented that most of the recent mass shootings were taking medications and many reported hearing voices.

Something I noticed about many of these mass shootings-they were often by people known to the FBI/LEOs. Not much seemed to be done. Sometimes, links to CIA or other intelligence agencies are there too.

I was particularly troubled by the Parkland School shooting when the demand for Gun Control was so immediate and so obviously orchestrated in advance, the same MO as previous shootings, and so many other similarities.

JFK was taken to Parkland Hospital. Shortly after the recent Parkland School shooting, there was another incident in another state at a place named Parkland. Mere co-incidence I guess.

What about a false flag event. Well the Boston Tea Party was a false flag, but no one was harmed. The gulf of Tonkin was really more of a misunderstanding-not really a false flag.

Well of course, I never believed that any one in our government would ever be involved in a false flag-they would NOT even think of such a thing. Operation Northwoods led me to research that hit me so hard, I couldn’t sleep.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed to JFK that false flag operations that could harm people in Florida could be instigated, blamed on Cuba, and we could have an excuse to invade. So much for pure thoughts - by the way JFK fired the Chair of the Joint Chiefs. Along with Allen Dulles the head of the CIA, who like Brennen, maintained his contacts within the agency.

So stuff that I would normally laugh at and consider nutty is not a luxury that I indulge anymore. I believe that the Swamp Creatures today have some really evil people who would stop at nothing, so what you have proposed has to be considered and weighed.

Anyone reading this, YMMV and welcome to it. I’ve said all I intend to say. Take it or leave it. End of discussion for me.


204 posted on 10/27/2018 8:32:25 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Nice summary. The roots of our demise, if Trump cannot stop them.


205 posted on 10/27/2018 8:46:51 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: greeneyes

Great and valid points. Thanks. Many need that summary as they have been walking around too ignorant for too long.


210 posted on 10/28/2018 12:15:50 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.zazzle.com/brain_truth for hats T's e.g. STAY CALM & DO THE NEXT LOVING THING)
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To: greeneyes
My moment of awakening, to the fact that the government lies to us and covers stuff up happened in the Flight 800 crash over Long Island Sound. It was November 18, 1997, and I took a Mental Health day from work. I was tuned to MSNBC. Back in those days, MSNBC had not yet become an asylum for the politically insane, and actually had decent coverage about the Clinton affair and subsequent impeachment.

Suddenly, Norah O'Donnell, who was working there at the time (and actually was a pretty decent journalist back then) cut into the programming with an announcement that Flight 800 had crashed, with no survivors. I moved right in front of the TV to watch.

Within 2 minutes, a video was posted that showed that the crash COULD NOT have been caused by a missile.



Wait, what???!?

No one had even mentioned the word 'missile'.... and the video was watermarked "CIA Video".

CRAZY.

Why would the CIA be producing this video within minutes of the crash? Why would it be distributing it so quickly? Why would it mention a missile, when NOBODY ELSE WAS?

These things set off my Whoa-This-Is-Weird-Radar.

Later, it was demonstrated that 670+ people saw a flame streaking up to meet the plane. You know, like a missile. One of those people was a National Guardsman, aloft in a plane, who just so happened to be a Missile-Plume expert.All of these witnesses were roundly scoffed by the government, and the official lie stood: It was a spontaneous center-fuel-tank explosion, and what everyone saw was the cabin section flying upwards.M

Despite the fact people were describing the plume flying up from the horizon-line, you know, the ground.

Yah right. Gotchya.

The motivation was obvious: If people thought a commercial airliner was struck by either a terrorist missile, or a friendly missile that went astray, airline traffic would collapse...and in 1997, Clinton did not need that distraction, not with his legal problems.

It was the first moment in my life that I realized that the government would lie to us, boldly and without shame, even when a half-a-thousand eyewitnesses contradicted them.

It was the first moment my vision became clear to just how venal and conniving the government could be.

223 posted on 10/28/2018 5:14:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The News Misleadia will be held accountable for their lies.....on the eleventy-first of Nevervember.)
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