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Forget the A-10 Warthog: The Army Wants the F-35
National Interest ^ | October 24, 2018 | Kris Osborn

Posted on 10/25/2018 9:05:55 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: Mariner
The F-35 can take out more equipment and emplacements the the A-10.

The F-35 can fit just 4 weapons in it's internal bays.

Put them anywhere else and its just another tubby non-stealthy vehicle.

41 posted on 10/25/2018 9:57:54 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Yo-Yo

A near-peer war would end in a nuclear exchange after a week or so which is why we haven’t had one of those since WWII. Sure we will need equipment capable of defeating Russian SAMs but we need workhorses for
low-intensity conflicts. Probably makes sense to develop a light attack craft fleet.


42 posted on 10/25/2018 9:58:34 AM PDT by socalgop
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To: JohnBrowdie
...it’s always been the air force that despised the a-10 because it wasn’t sexy...

Evidence?

43 posted on 10/25/2018 10:01:18 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: JohnBrowdie
In 1989 I got to observe something called, A-16 Close Air Support Demo. Six F-16s were painted OD just like A-10s were then, Pave Penny pods were attached and a 30mm gun pod was mounted. The hot IR clutter in the Nevada desert made it almost impossible for the IR Maverick to find a target. The test was then moved to Texas. I didn't get to go there, but I was told things weren't very successful there. The effort was cancelled. I may still have a copy of a video tape they made where the last scene had the words, "Think A-16." I doubt the F-35 would do any better.
44 posted on 10/25/2018 10:03:06 AM PDT by saminfl
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To: PGR88; C19fan

The problem with the P-51 doing ground support was its liquid cooled engine. One hit on the radiator/cooling system and the engine overheats and seizes up.

The P-47 Thunderbolt, F4U Corsair, and the A-1 Skyraider had radial (i.e. air cooled) engines, which could absorb damage and keep running. The Thunderbolt and Corsair used the Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engine, while the Skyraider used the Wright R-3350 Duplex Cyclone.


45 posted on 10/25/2018 10:08:30 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: PGR88; C19fan

The problem with the P-51 doing ground support was its liquid cooled engine. One hit on the radiator/cooling system and the engine overheats and seizes up.

The P-47 Thunderbolt, F4U Corsair, and the A-1 Skyraider had radial (i.e. air cooled) engines, which could absorb damage and keep running. The Thunderbolt and Corsair used the Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engine, while the Skyraider used the Wright R-3350 Duplex Cyclone.


46 posted on 10/25/2018 10:08:30 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Mr.Unique
I usually don't do people's homework for them. typically, people who start demanding evidence know that they have lost the debate, and are just trying to change the subject from the actual point of contention to an argument of who's sources are more credible.

but, just for you . . . .

Helpy Helperson

47 posted on 10/25/2018 10:10:37 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie
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To: xkaydet65

I doubt they’re gonna dropo $100 million F-35Bs at some FOB. They’ve got enough speed, loiter time and refueling to get them where they’re needed. The support trains for the F-35 make forward positioning very problematic.


48 posted on 10/25/2018 10:15:55 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: JohnBrowdie
...people who start demanding evidence know that they have lost the debate...

That's a ludicrous statement.

Are you really that stupid?

49 posted on 10/25/2018 10:16:41 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: GreyFriar
The P-47 Thunderbolt, F4U Corsair, and the A-1 Skyraider had radial (i.e. air cooled) engines, which could absorb damage and keep running.

You are correct. See? Ideas are already flowing. An A-1 Skyraider, armed with updated, armor, weapons and avionics would be a great weapon against small groups of jihadis in the field. The military establishment has accepted the AC-130 in a somewhat similar, updated role for the traditional C-130. Why not the Skyraider?

I'd even let Boeing or Lockheed pad their budget - and it would still be super-cheap, and probably more effective.

50 posted on 10/25/2018 10:21:07 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

We’re already there.
The USAF has procured the A29 Super Tucano for the Afghani’s and it’s a good alternative to the A-10 and the F-35.


51 posted on 10/25/2018 10:24:59 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: C19fan
I don't know how many times I have posted this.

The A-10 is officially designated the Thunderbolt II. Warthog is an unofficial name.

52 posted on 10/25/2018 10:26:30 AM PDT by matt1234 (Jan. 20, 2017: the national nightmare ended.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

In all fairness the AF did try to retire the A-10 after they rewinged the fleet a few years ago. They then tried to give it to the Army without the associated maintenance funds. They have not exactly expressed strong desires to keep it?


53 posted on 10/25/2018 10:29:39 AM PDT by zek157
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To: TXnMA

That is beautiful!


54 posted on 10/25/2018 10:29:51 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (I'm not tired of Winning yet! Please, continue on!)
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To: C19fan

No, they don’t!


55 posted on 10/25/2018 10:32:33 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Afghans are dropping laser guided munitions off the A-29s.

https://www.armytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/03/27/afghan-a-29-pilots-drop-first-ever-laser-guided-bomb-in-combat/


56 posted on 10/25/2018 10:33:32 AM PDT by zek157
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To: PGR88

The USAF has already procured the A29 Super Tucano for the Afghan Air Force. Many are pushing the USAF to adopt it as a smaller, lighter and significantly cheaper alternative to the A-10.


57 posted on 10/25/2018 10:34:08 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: zek157

I’ve always thought that this class of aircraft (A29 and competitors) was an ideal solution for LICs. I think the USAF is hoping to use Afghanistan as a proof of concept.


58 posted on 10/25/2018 10:35:27 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: zek157

As long as the Key West accords are in place, the A-10 nor any other fixed wing attack aircraft will fly with The Army.


59 posted on 10/25/2018 10:36:12 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: PGR88

The C-130 is still in production, where as the other three have not been manufactured since:

Douglas Skyraider: 1957
Chance Vought F4U Corsair: 1953
Republic P-47: 1945


60 posted on 10/25/2018 10:36:41 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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