Posted on 10/13/2018 6:49:16 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater
this production is not worthy of my time nor money.
Original line ups
Apollo 7 Prime Shirra, Eisle, Cunningham
Backup Stafford, Young, Cernan
Apollo 8 Prime McDivitt, Scott, Schweikart
Backup Conrad, Gordon, Bean
Apollo 9 Prime Borman, Collins, Anders
Backup Armstrong, Lovell, Aldrin
Apollo 10 Prime Stafford, Young, Cernan
Backup Cooper, Eisle, Mitchell
When the LM was not available till 1969, McDivitt opted to stay with the shakedown mission. Slayton offered the moon orbit mission to Borman who jumped on it like a tiger. this caused a swap out of both the Prime & Backup crews. Collins needed neck surgery, so he was replaced by Lovell. He came back healthy in time to be placed on the 11 mission. Irregardless, Conrad had a shot at the 11 mission if the hardware had been available on time, but Stafford and Cernan would have been the 1st guys on the moon if that happened. Fate has a way of intervening, and I haven’t met an astronaut yet from the 1st 3 groups that didn’t think that history picked the right man for the job.
Actual content of the film doesn’t matter at this point. Gosling said what he said. Case closed.
They didn’t delete it. It’s there. They just don’t have an explicit “planting the flag” scene.
Hmmm
FR, interesting as always.
As if LBJ's TRILLIONS down the toilet wasn't enough
Very cool. And I hope NASA can regain its glory.
BTW, where is that 2001 Space Odyssey space wheel you all promised us?
It sure killed all the adventure we were hoping for.
When you make a movie so you don’t want to offend the Chinese market because they can’t stand our flag, covering it up for the American audience ain’t doing the picture any good in the state, don’t you think? But hell, take a knee for a flag, dont show it on the moon, hell call Clint Eastwood for a directors cut of the marines not raising it on Mt Suribachi. It’s either part of history, or revisionist history, and that what this is. Done with American hating Hollywood trying to be PC in retelling history as they think it should have happened. That crap started with Oliver Stone and JFK.
Enjoyed this review. Thank you!
In 6th Grade our class had a “formal” debate over whether to continue the space program. This was in 1969 or so. Most of the class chose the side of “Yes, let’s continue.” Two people plus myself took the other side, saying, “No. We should hang it up.”
My intellectual and emotional investment in space exploration is comparatively dull, but I would not go out of my way to argue against it. At the time I just figured there is too much we do not yet know about the planet we live on. There is still a lot we do not know about it.
In later years I have had flashes of appreciation for space exploration, as various probes have reached significant benchmarks. Like opera, there is a learning curve that comes with appreciation of some things. I still do not appreciate man’s landing on the moon as I should. Maybe this movie will have a part in changing that.
Excellent review, makes me want to go see it on the big screen.
"...“I wanted the primary focus in that scene to be on Neil’s solitary moments on the moon. …This film is about one of the most extraordinary accomplishments not only in American history, but in human history,” Chazelle said..."
If anyone is arguing that they didn't deliberately omit it, they are wrong, because they did. They absolutely did, and they are proud of it.
There are a lot of people who may be fully into the concept that The Soviet Union, Red China, Nazi Germany, Uganda, India, Japan, Bangladesh, and the Ottoman Empire had as much to do with landing a man on the moon for the first time (Which is exactly what the POS director wants to convey) but I, and many others like you believe this was an effort that was American.
Americans paid billions of our hard earned dollars to make it happen. We had men die in the process because it was dangerous, and some (including Armstrong) who nearly died. It happened on American soil. Every single one of those men were American.
I do not take personal umbrage at those who accept the globalist viewpoint and philosophy of the director, but I do take issue with calling those of us who don't buy into that globalist-one-world viewpoint sold by the director of the movie and the main actor in it, virtue-signalers.
I do take issue with that attitude towards fellow conservatives who take issue with that deliberate omission.
From the advertising, it seems like they made it in to an annoying melodrama. Wife whining about husband’s job etc...
Saw it tonight, I thought it was good. I didn’t want to go because of the flag, but my curiosity got the best of me since I’m a space nerd to begin with. The X- 15 opening was awesome. All that shaking and the moans and groans of the spacecraft. The moon landing was cool. They also didn’t have Nixon talking to them from the Oval Office. I guess that would have been a bridge to far for the lefty’s.
I made the following analogy on another thread: Imagine for a moment they made a movie about the Battle of Iwo Jima without showing the raising of the Flag on Mount Suribachi and the members of the movie company say something about they left it out as they don’t see it as an American victory, but a victory for all freedom loving people? Would you feel the same? Would my objection to such a deliberate omission be considered virtue-signaling?
Sad move. Mr. Armstrong was a Naval pilot, brilliant engineer and American hero. The film insults him, the American space program and the American people who funded the mission to the moon.
Goes to show that the 200,000 people involved in the American space program in Downey from 1950 to 2005 were more brilliant than anyone in Hollywood.
I saw it yesterday and agree - thought it was very well made and worth seeing.
Flag was there in one shot of the LEM while Armstrong was walking about thinking of the contrast with his family. Absence of the flag ceremony wasn’t a detraction.
I enjoyed it and would recommend seeing it.
Agreed. The reviewer seems to forget two things:
1. The moon is an ALIEN place re the camera “makes the moon seem like a completely alien place”.
And more importantly, THE AMERICAN FLAG WENT TO THE MOON ALONG WITH THE ASTRONAUTS. There was a purpose for them placing on the surface for all to see.
That is what was left out of the film and shouldn’t have.
This was an American space production so why not do a little gentle “show the flag” scene? After all, the last major “show the flag” film/photos of note, besides at the site of the Twin Towers, was something my wounded father-in-law saw in person, the raising of the American flag at Mt. Surabachi, Iwo Jima, in 1945. It cost a lot of blood to do that but Americans paid that the price for its viewing.
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