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#28 - thanks Swordmaker. Can you boil something down for me? Are all iPhones, iPads, and other Apple devices being hacked right now with these chips?

So sorry not to get back to you in the old thread. . . but I have been busy with work outside of FR. Sometimes Life Intrudes on the really important stuff, you know.

No, they are not. These chips and the claims being made on Bloomberg are BOGUS. . . they don't exist. All of the sources are ANONYMOUS and not a single source from any other news organization has been able to validate anything about the Supermicro compromised motherboards and NOT A SINGLE EXAMPLE from the THOUSANDS of motherboards in use has been found. NONE, ZIP, NIL.

The whole thing makes zero sense as such an added chip would stand out like a big red flag on even a cursory quality control scan. . . causing the entire run of motherboards to be discarded.

Apple's goods, actually like Supermicro's are designed in California, and undergo EXTREME vetting by Apple. They are computer Quality Control checked against a reference model, and also checked electronically. Apple's logic boards, like the Supermicro motherboards, are multilayer sandwiches of circuitry, which would require major re-engineering from the ground up, something that takes months, to add even one minor component, much less a component with multiple capabilities. It is just not possible to do without it being noticed, or compromising the function of the device.

Apple has complete control of their entire widget. . . and Apple is responsible for QC. So, no.

Also, as I responded on another thread, not one single compromised server was ever installed on either Amazon's or Apple's cloud services EVEN if you believe Bloomberg's tall tale. . . because even THEY SAID SO in their original article which stated that both Amazon and Apple found the problem during due diligence testing before they ever installed any.

These chips and the claims being made on Bloomberg are BOGUS. . . they don't exist. All of the sources are ANONYMOUS and not a single source from any other news organization has been able to validate anything about the Supermicro compromised motherboards and NOT A SINGLE EXAMPLE from the THOUSANDS of motherboards in use has been found. NONE, ZIP, NIL. The whole thing makes zero sense as such an added chip would stand out like a big red flag on even a cursory quality control scan. . . causing the entire run of motherboards to be discarded. Apple's goods, actually like Supermicro's are designed in California, and undergo EXTREME vetting by Apple. They are computer Quality Control checked against a reference model, and also checked electronically. Apple's logic boards, like the Supermicro motherboards, are multilayer sandwiches of circuitry, which would require major re-engineering from the ground up, something that takes months, to add even one minor component, much less a component with multiple capabilities. It is just not possible to do without it being noticed, or compromising the function of the device. Apple has complete control of their entire widget. . . and Apple is responsible for QC.

Thanks so very much Swordmaker. I had read something very similar on a blog of very savvy tech folks. I also spoke to our own Millennial IT person at work (and he is one smart guy). He used to work for Apple. He said pretty much the same thing you did.

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Also, as I responded on another thread, not one single compromised server was ever installed on either Amazon’s or Apple’s cloud services EVEN if you believe Bloomberg’s tall tale. . . because even THEY SAID SO in their original article which stated that both Amazon and Apple found the problem during due diligence testing before they ever installed any.
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Suddenly everything is declared hackable. I think it’s cover for actual sale and “appropriation” of information during the Obama years. I feel like the latest reports that the Pentagon weapons systems are easily hackable may be to cover sales of our technology and maybe also to proactively explain away any unauthorized use of it. Here’s two links. The second one is new today.

GAO report says nearly all new Pentagon weapons can be hacked with ease
https://bgr.com/2018/10/10/pentagon-weapons-can-be-hacked-easily-gao-report-says/

The Pentagon’s Travel Records Were Hacked, Possibly Affecting 30,000 Personnel
https://taskandpurpose.com/pentagon-travel-hack/