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Fairy hoax photographs expected to fetch £2,000 at auction
msn ^ | 09/27/2018 | Rod Minchin

Posted on 09/27/2018 7:05:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Elsie’s father, a keen amateur photographer who developed the prints, never doubted they were fakes, his wife Polly was a believer and in 1919 she took prints of the two photographs to show members of the Theosophical Society in Bradford where they were giving a lecture on fairy life.

From there things spiralled out of control, first through the enthusiastic belief of leading society member Edward Gardner, who used photography expert Harold Snelling to produce photographic prints of them to be sold at Gardner’s theosophical lectures in 1920. It was during 1920 that Conan Doyle, a committed and leading spiritualist believer, became aware of the photographs and wanted to use them for an article on fairies he had been commissioned to write for The Strand Magazine.

Gardner and Doyle sought further expert opinions from the photographic companies, while Gardner met the Wright family and organised a camera and plates for the girls to try and capture more photographs of the fairies.

During the summer of 1920 the youngsters managed to “capture” three more images of themselves with fairies.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History
KEYWORDS: cottingleyfairies; hoax; theosophy
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To: PUGACHEV
Privately taken photos was a very NEW thing back then. Cameras were expensive, people didn't know about tinkering with them, so thought that they were for real! And supposedly, the fairies had been seen by "INNOCENT" children, who were venerated by the Victorian/Edwardian upper classes, aristos, and royals.

Life was quite different and we shouldn't judge people, who lived long ago, by the same standards; though many STILL fall for HOAXES today!

GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE has many "true believers", though, of course, that's all just so much hooey; for example.

21 posted on 09/27/2018 8:57:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: BenLurkin

Iolanthe or “she certainly did surprising things..”

(from the Gilbert and Sullivan Operetta Iolanthe “or Peers vs Peris”)


22 posted on 09/27/2018 9:01:37 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY...another G&S fan! :^)

Though IOLANTHE was first performed in 1882; rather old for it to be referenced for a 1919 photo.

23 posted on 09/27/2018 9:06:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: mdmathis6

A+ for Gilbert and Sullivan reference!


24 posted on 09/27/2018 9:22:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: nopardons

Yes, they are.

I’d be willing to bet the hammer price is going blow away the pre-sale estimate.


25 posted on 09/27/2018 10:22:55 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: BenLurkin
Another G&S fan?

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! :-)

26 posted on 09/27/2018 10:24:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: warsaw44

I agree; these photos are extremely well known and loved, for various reasons; subject matter, their fame, beautiful children, the age of the photos; etc.!


27 posted on 09/27/2018 10:26:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: BenLurkin
They did.

The Great War had killed so many young men and then the Flu came through and killed off even more. Entire families were all but wiped out.

We really can not imagine death on the scale they were dealing with. And Europe had already mostly driven out Christianity to the point where it was all form and no substance.

They pinned their faith on the new "science" and gadgets.

It proved a hollow reed.

28 posted on 09/27/2018 10:39:27 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: nopardons

No it was the post at 13 I was looking at...it sort of looks like how I’d always pictured Iolanthe.

Strephon:”She was my mother.”

Phyllis: “Yesss, a “Young” mother...!!

Strephon: “It’s true...”

Phyllis: “Wellll, she “wears well”...!!


29 posted on 09/28/2018 2:11:51 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: nopardons; BenLurkin

“I heard Clinton remark...
She’d meet Foster after dark
Inside Fort Marcy Park and
“give him one”

A political parody based on a scene from Iolanthe!

Yes, I am a G&S fan of a most determined description...down to the feet!

….”and I’d never ever vote a Dem...
“what never....?
“No never!
“ what never...….?
“Hardly ever...….!”(”he’d never ever vote a Demmmmmm!”)
“Then give three cheers and one cheer more
For the hearty voter of Conservatiiiiiives”(long “I” vowel sound) (a parody send up of HMS Pinafore)


30 posted on 09/28/2018 2:31:18 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: PLMerite

LOL! Doyle appeared in some episodes of the Murdoch tv series doing his spiritualistic thing.


31 posted on 09/28/2018 3:26:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Kindness and truth shall meet." Ps. 85:10)
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To: Olog-hai
>>The existence of fairies in the mainstream media is no hoax.


32 posted on 09/28/2018 5:04:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Mathews

Did you go to the doctor, see what he could give you?


33 posted on 09/28/2018 8:02:39 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

He told me I’ve gone too far because smokin’ and trippin’ is all I do. I said, “yeah.”


34 posted on 09/28/2018 9:46:19 AM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: mdmathis6
Oh oh...trust me, that is not, not, NOT how Iolanthe, nor ANY of the fairies look in ANY production of Iolanthe.

I take it that you've never seen that operetta, nor any photos, drawings ( dear Gilbert's or anyone else's ), illustrations, or paintings of the show. IIRC there are many such on line and even on YouTube.

I have had the pleasure of seeing Iolanthe and ALL of the G&S operettas, many, many, many times over, except sadly, for the recreation of THESPIS; which I don't know WHY I wasn't taken to see ( the semi-professional troop that my parents belonged to did it ), but I wasn't.

And poor Strephon is only a fairy from the waist up; his bottom 1/2 is human. :-)

35 posted on 09/28/2018 1:10:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: mdmathis6
BRAVO and a standing OVATION for a fellow SAVOYARD!

Great parody and I bet that Gilbert would approve! :-)

Great "catch", re "down to the feet"; since we're talking about Iolanthe & her son, Strephon. :-)

36 posted on 09/28/2018 1:14:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Oh I’ve seen a production of Iolanthe at the opening when they are dressed like that.I helped in the stage crew for that one....the humor of it was they threw in a few plump ones to sort of stomp around while the smaller ones were a bit more daintier in their opening...”tripping thithering”.(Produced a lot laughs when the fat ones came stomping through) A bit more lower cut and modest but still much like the clothing seen in posting 13. They used very shear and lacy material and flesh colored leotards or stocking for the legs. I don’t remember how they kept the wings on. This was Summer Savoyards “83 production of Iolanthe


37 posted on 09/28/2018 1:42:11 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: nopardons

I know Iolanthe very well, just listened to the Royston Nash 1972 D’oyly Carte version a couple of days ago.

Princess Ida is another favorite.


38 posted on 09/28/2018 1:45:31 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
In "theatre parlance" a leotard is a body suit and tights cover the legs. :-)

All fairies, except, of course, for the FAIRY QUEEN ( who is supposed to be dressed like a Wagnerian Valkyrie ) have always worn very floaty, sheer material, wispy dresses.

The VERY big deal, about the original opening, was that The Savoy was the FIRST Brit Theatre to use electric lighting, starting with this show AND the fairies had teeny electric lights twinkling in the crown the wore. Perhaps that is why Brits call tiny Christmas tree lights "FAIRY LIGHTS"; which we don't. :-)

Sounds like an interesting staging; though strictly speaking, non-traditional and not at all what Gilbert would approve of.

39 posted on 09/28/2018 2:25:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: mdmathis6
I love the much overlooked PRINCESS IDA and Gilbert's poking at the womens' libbers of the day...which he did in other operettas as well.

"Ida was a 12 month old, twenty years ago, I was twice her age, I'm told, twenty years ago....

LOL..now I'll have that song running through mu head all night.

40 posted on 09/28/2018 2:28:50 PM PDT by nopardons
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