Harper’s Weekly – September 11, 1858

Harper's Weekly archives ^ | September 11, 1858

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

First session: November 21, 2015. Last date to add: Sometime in the future.
Reading: Self-assigned. Recommendations made and welcomed. To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by reply or freepmail.

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[Homer_J_Simpson]

The Atlantic Cable Festivities – 1, 10-12
How Cyrus Laid the Cable – 2
Editorials – 2-3
The Lounger – 3-5
Fact, Fancy, and Fun – 6-7
The Burning of the Quarantine on Staten Island – 8-9
What a Ridiculous Fashion! – 12
My Aquatic Reminiscences – 12-14
The Outrage at Jaffa – 14
Cherbourg – 15-17
Miscellany – 17-18
Effect of the Atlantic Telegraph on the European Despots - 19

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Continued from August 27 (reply #24) .

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Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings 1832-1858, edited by Don E. Fehrenbacher

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Continued from August 31 (reply #6) .

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

[Kommodor]

It would seem that the traditions of real estate dealings on the East Coast have been long in the making.

[colorado tanker]

And some still claim the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. It was speeches like this that made the fire eaters hate Lincoln.

[Tax-chick]

That crowd in the “Crystal Palace,” page 11, looks like a disaster in the making, but I guess there was no collapse or panicked evacuation with hundreds dead.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

John Brown, September 13, 1858

Sept. 13, 1858.

Yours of the 25th August, containing draft of Mr. S. for fifty dollars is received. I am most grateful for it, and to you for your kind letter. This would have been sooner mailed but for want of stamps and envelopes. I am gaining slowly, but hope to be on my legs soon. Have no further news. Mailed, September 15. Still weak.

Your friend.
[JOHN BROWN.] SOURCE: Franklin B. Sanborn, The Life and Letters of John Brown, p. 477-8

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John Brown to Mary Ann Day Brown, September 13, 1858

OSAWATOMIE, KANSAS, Sept. 13, 1858.

DEAR WIFE, — Your letter of the 25th August I was most glad to get, notwithstanding it told me of your trials; and 1 would be thankful that the same hand that brought me your letter brought me another, supplying me with the means of sending you some relief. I hope you will all learn to put your trust in God, and not become discouraged when you meet with poor success and with losses. I wrote you two or three days ago, telling you how I had been sick, but was getting better. I am still very weak, and write with great labor. I enclose draft for fifty dollars, payable to Watson. I want Mr. Allen paid out of it, to his full satisfaction, for the barrel of flour lent, as a first thing, and the balance used to supply substantial comforts for the family, or to pay any little debts. I shall have the means, after a while, of paying for another yoke of oxen, and I hope to have it soon; but of that I cannot be certain. It would be well to make considerable inquiry for a good, youngish yoke, without faults, and also to find where you can get them most reasonably for the money. Do not, any of you, go in debt for a team. You may, perhaps, hire a few days' work of some good team to log with, or of some good man to help to pile logs without a team, sad I will endeavor to send the pay on for that soon. Do the best you can, and neither be hasty nor discouraged. You must acknowledge the receipt of this at once, and tell me all how you get along. May God abundantly bless you all!

Your affectionate husband.
[JOHN BROWN.]

SOURCE: Franklin B. Sanborn, The Life and Letters of John Brown, p. 478-9

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[Vermont Lt]

This guy is just a fountain of feelings...

[BroJoeK]

Note that yet again Lincoln warns: Democrats want not only slavery in territories, but soon slavery nationwide through SCOTUS rulings like Dred Scott.

That is not something I learned in school, but have seen nothing since which might demonstrate Lincoln was in any way exaggerating the threat.
Doughfaced Northern Democrat President Buchanan was behind Dred Scott and surely understood what it implied.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

This guy is just a fountain of feelings...

Yes, he was a real sweetheart. As you would expect from someone with his angelic demeanor.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

With his ‘House Divided’ speech in mind, saying that the country could not remain forever part slaveholding and part free soil, but become all one thing or all the other, at this point we can see that there was a clearer path to the U.S. becoming all slaveholding than all free soil.

[BroJoeK]

Right, and in this speech Lincoln implies/hints that "Judge" Douglas must know it too.

I think Douglass denied that and in doing so lost the commitment of Southern Democrats to their generations-long alliance.
Democrats always require a certain amount of self-delusion, and Lincoln, it seems, forced Douglas to face reality or go down in defeat, in Illinois.
Reality destroyed the old Democrat alliance then, just as it would today, if our corrupted media would actually report it.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Continued from September 4 (reply #3).

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Allen C. Guelzo, Lincoln and Douglas: The Debates that Defined America

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Continued from August 27 (reply #23).

David Herbert Donald, Lincoln

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Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings 1832-1858, edited by Don E. Fehrenbacher

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Continued from September 11 (reply #4).

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

[Tax-chick]

At least John Brown seems to have been a careful money manager. You have to admire someone who is so determined to pay his bills.

[Tax-chick]

A very interesting anecdote! My daughters love spooks. Elen and I were going to go on a ghost-viewing trip through South Carolina this spring, but events intervened. Maybe she’ll see a ghost at Parris Island.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Is South Carolina home to an unusually large ghost population? I can see how that could be, given the state’s volatile history and the number of Spanish moss covered trees around centuries old mansions there.