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The Tocqueville Fraud: Can We Please Stop attributing to him, things he did not say?
The Weekly Standard ^ | 09/09 | John Pitney

Posted on 09/09/2018 12:21:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy in America is a beloved, canonical text; the urge to quote from it is understandably great. Politicians ever seek to demonstrate familiarity with it, from Bill Clinton to Pat Buchanan. One of their favorite quotes runs as follows:

I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers—and it was not there. . . . in her fertile fields and bound less forests—and it was not there. . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerce—and it was not there. . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution—and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.

These lines are uplifting and poetic. They are also spurious. Nowhere do they appear in Democracy in America, or anywhere else in Tocqueville.

The authenticity of the passage came into question when first-year government students at Claremont McKenna College received an assignment: Find a contemporary speech quoting Tocqueville, and determine how accurately the speaker used the quotation. A student soon uncovered a recent Senate floor speech that cited the "America is great" line. He scoured Democracy in America, but could not find the passage. The professor looked, too -- and it was not there.

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TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: misquotes; quote; tocqueville
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1 posted on 09/09/2018 12:21:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t the truth? I recall that one quote where Tocqueville said that Lincoln was right, and people really would believe whatever they’d read on the internet.


2 posted on 09/09/2018 12:25:41 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: SeekAndFind

But he was the first to say “Diversity is strength”


3 posted on 09/09/2018 12:26:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Rurudyne

You are not quite correct, as Lincoln was not around then. The quote you refer to involved Brian Williams. /s


4 posted on 09/09/2018 12:27:58 PM PDT by PlateOfShrimp
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To: SeekAndFind

Sad but true, but there are a lot of urban myths and misquotes out there, and our side can be guilty of this at times. I am pretty sure that Chesterton’s famous quote about people believing in anything is only partly his. And as far as I can tell, Voltaire’s home was never used to publish Bibles.


5 posted on 09/09/2018 12:30:11 PM PDT by PlateOfShrimp
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To: All

Our nation is on the verge of fracturing and the Weekly Standard tosses this out for discussion. They are truly irrelevant.


6 posted on 09/09/2018 12:34:16 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: PlateOfShrimp

OK, but if this is not a DeToqueville quote ..... is it ANYONE’S ?


7 posted on 09/09/2018 12:42:10 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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8 posted on 09/09/2018 12:43:12 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“All freedom loving people’s will NOT have possession of firearms interfered with”. Alexis de Tocqueville. Sounds good.


9 posted on 09/09/2018 12:47:14 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: outofsalt

If I recall, he said that on April 16, 1865


10 posted on 09/09/2018 12:51:23 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: SeekAndFind

When I first learned Toqueville never actually wrote this, I began to get very careful about quotes and now almost always check the accuracy first.

A couple months ago, I read a quote attributed to Churchville and could not find it anywhere else. I came across a website online dedicated to Churchill quotes. I emailed to ask them and got a return email rather quickly concluding that the quote was not uttered by Sir Winston.

The man who responded to me was Winston Churchill’s grandson. How cool is that?


11 posted on 09/09/2018 12:55:02 PM PDT by cyclotic ( WeÂ’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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To: PlateOfShrimp

Pffft! Do I need to bring up what Chester A. Arthur said about “/s” comments?


12 posted on 09/09/2018 12:56:29 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: BenLurkin
Tocqueville: "You didn't build that."
 
13 posted on 09/09/2018 1:02:42 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ("Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above.")
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To: SeekAndFind
America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.

I believe this observation has great merit and if not already attributed I would like to claim credit.

14 posted on 09/09/2018 1:20:47 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: BenLurkin

All these years I had believed that IGNORANCE is strength!


15 posted on 09/09/2018 1:27:14 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("We circle each other in flight Til together we roll like the ocean In its bed at night" Al Stewart)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Quoth Tocqueville to Noah.


16 posted on 09/09/2018 1:29:37 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("We circle each other in flight Til together we roll like the ocean In its bed at night" Al Stewart)
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To: Vendome

OK, Big Shot, but in which year did he exclaim, “Death to America”?


17 posted on 09/09/2018 1:32:19 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("We circle each other in flight Til together we roll like the ocean In its bed at night" Al Stewart)
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To: SeekAndFind

Next we’ll find out that General Anthony McAuliffe never said “nuts!”


18 posted on 09/09/2018 1:36:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: PlateOfShrimp

Also, the inventer of the Internet, Al Gore....


19 posted on 09/09/2018 1:42:03 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: TigersEye

No...That was my drill instructor...He said, as we were lining up...”Nuts....to butts!!!!!!”


20 posted on 09/09/2018 1:43:55 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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