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Tragic.

My daughter and son in law were reciently there and even went out at night, beautiful photos.

I'm now extra happy they went with a local guide, the first night was no go, too windy. Grandma stayed with the grandkids.

1 posted on 09/03/2018 6:10:14 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

5 people in a 13 1/2 foot boat?

And the boat is a kayak, which normally has small holes for a person to sit in. How did they all fit in?

Sounds like an ill-considered voyage. RIP.


2 posted on 09/03/2018 6:14:23 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ("It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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To: DUMBGRUNT

A couple years ago, my daughter called and told me she and her roommate were planning a backpack trip to Manitou Island, near the tip of the Lower Peninsula.

I asked how they were getting to the island and she said they were going to take Grandma’s canoe.

“NO”

I told her that I’m a good canoer and there is no way I’d paddle none miles across open water without a chase boat.


3 posted on 09/03/2018 6:16:29 AM PDT by cyclotic ( WeÂ’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

What is the “safety plea” in the headline? Nothing more than a teaser designed to get us to read the article.
The government is not responsible for people who do foolish things and put themselves in danger. Your family is very important to you. Don’t risk losing it by going out on a stupid kayak just because it has a funny name and will sound good in a facebook posting.


10 posted on 09/03/2018 6:36:09 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Cynicism is the only refuge in a world that is determined to eliminate itself.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

What a shame people continue to be foolish at the tragic expense of children in their care.

I cringe when I see row upon row of these plastic toy boatlets lined up at stores everywhere it seems. I se no flotation in them. They are inherently unstable as well. Just silly dangerous toys.


13 posted on 09/03/2018 6:46:23 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Those kids were not old enough for kayaking.


15 posted on 09/03/2018 6:53:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Superior, it's said, never gives up its dead. Even if just adults, that sounds like a risky trip in a craft that was not equal to the challenge. Even in good weather, with no wind or breakers. It sounds like the last-chance crafts that people in Cuba use to come to America because they have no choice, not an afternoon amusement.

I used to live in a town with heavy and frequent railroad traffic; freight and passenger. The annual fatality count was amazingly high, even with all of the safety equipment and flashing lights the government could think up. Same idea; some things you just don't mess with, RIP.

19 posted on 09/03/2018 7:00:10 AM PDT by Bernard (We will stop calling you fake news when you stop being fake news.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The only way society can redistribute intelligence is to dumb down the bright. You can’t honor people for their superior knowledge. You can’t do anything to restrict the opportunity of the imbecilic.

These open kayaks are very unstable, but they are also unsinkable, and trivial to right. I imagine the waves kicked up under a light breeze, as happens on lakes. The family was probably dumped and recovered several times before they became cold and exhausted. The one that survived — the mother — did so because she was the fattest.

If society doesn’t provide boundaries for the stupid, this sort of thing will happen.


20 posted on 09/03/2018 7:06:18 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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More:

http://www.startribune.com/four-from-family-die-after-kayak-capsizes-on-lake-superior-near-apostle-islands-mom-survives/492190851/

The Coast Guard received the distress call about 8:45 p.m. and launched a small boat from Bayfield and a helicopter from Traverse City, Mich., said Coast Guard Lt. Daniel Peters. An emergency information message was sent to local mariners.

That was the message Walters heard on his ship about 9:20. By 10 p.m., he had rescued the woman, who was gripping the flashlight, too cold to speak.


21 posted on 09/03/2018 7:07:45 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (So what!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Sounds like a ‘clueless neophyte plea’ would be more apt.


27 posted on 09/03/2018 7:31:46 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So sad. This lady is going to need some counseling, therapy, and prayers.


28 posted on 09/03/2018 7:35:49 AM PDT by HonkyTonkMan
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To: DUMBGRUNT

So sad..no way I’d take a kayak that far with kids, youngest 3 years old! no matter how experienced. Article says there was a storm warning as well..Lake Superior can turn into ocean like conditions in matter of minutes.


29 posted on 09/03/2018 7:43:19 AM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

This story is a real heart-breaker.

This is all on the dad.

Attempting to paddle on Superior with babies is stupid. Paddling in open water in a shore craft is stupid. Even the most seasoned expert would think real hard about paddling that distance. The water is deadly cold, seriously deep and very, very strong. It’s nothing for a tiny shore craft like this to be overwhelmed in seconds.

Superior is the largest freshwater lake in the world. This man should have known better.


31 posted on 09/03/2018 7:56:16 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Lake Superior generally runs around 40 degrees max, except near the shorelines. It is NOT a lake to be trifled with, and a lifejacket just makes it easier for the body recovery team.

I've kayaked close to 50 km on the lake at one time, but I was never farther than 400 yards from land, and I was wearing a drysuit. No way I'd venture into open water on that lake.

32 posted on 09/03/2018 7:57:36 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: DUMBGRUNT

He rented the kayak from some outfitter and he should have discussed this open water with children plan with them.

Surely, they would have discouraged this plan and suggested an alternative safe family adventure.

RIP. I can’t even imagine her condition and fragile state of mind at this time.


34 posted on 09/03/2018 8:25:32 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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“Coast Guard officials said hypothermia was probably a major factor in the deaths, especially of the children.”

They wouldn’t want to mention the stupidity of the parents now would they. We used to get these kayakers trying to go over an 8-foot man-made waterfall where the Clinton-Kalamazoo canal was supposed to go through and it was like they had “no fear”...More like no respect for the power of water and Mother Nature herself. I think it was in the summer of 1998 when in the span of two weeks, three of them, all in their 20’s, (one woman and two men) drowned doing the same damned thing. I have no doubt as I didn’t then either, that at least one of the 2nd and 3rd “victims” was there only because they’d seen and heard the news reports about the first incident.


35 posted on 09/03/2018 8:34:39 AM PDT by equaviator (`)
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If a ship like the ‘Edmund Fitzgerald’ can sink, I would NOT go out in a 13 1/2 foot kayak. That would be like me going out into the gulf in a pedalboat. Sounds like a candidate for the Darwin award.


37 posted on 09/03/2018 9:07:12 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: DUMBGRUNT
People have a tendency to treat the Great Lakes like they are mill ponds.

They are not.

They are fresh water seas with all that implies.

38 posted on 09/03/2018 9:18:29 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I spent my whole life around the Great Lakes, and in my opinion, the only body of water in the world more dangerous than Lake Superior is the North Atlantic Ocean, in winter.


41 posted on 09/03/2018 10:10:27 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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Me and my better half honeymooned in the UP. We thought we'd go for a nice swim since we were camped at Muskellunge and Superior was right across the road. We ran into the water and that water hit us like we had just stepped inside a freezer.

Only one time was I ever able to swim in Superior as a kid when there was some weird weather inversion where the wind came from the south for about a week. The water was reasonably warm. But I hear that doesn't happen very often.

42 posted on 09/03/2018 10:18:21 AM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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Back when I was an Explorer, in say, 1967, my post went on a summer bike trip along the north shore of the UP.

There is a place called 7 Mile Hill, and it was a long, hot trudge to get to the crest and coast down. At the bottom was a small beach, with inviting blue water. We hopped off and raced into the water to cool off.

The fastest made it knee deep before he screamed and tried to walk on water to get out. I thought my heart was going to stop, and I was only calf deep...

This family was Darwin Award material. Only Liberals could be that blandly unaware of local conditions. And, children, in a kayak? THERE? They should charge the mother with murder. The PFDs only made it worse. The children froze to death.

43 posted on 09/03/2018 11:14:13 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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