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Rewriting Kipling for the modern age
The Spectator ^ | July 22, 2018 | Rod Liddle

Posted on 09/02/2018 2:01:16 PM PDT by Twotone

It is often said that we should worry about the world we are leaving to the younger generation. I am a bit more worried about the poor world, given the state of the younger generation who will soon have custody of it. Last week, for example, the students of Manchester University have decided that Rudyard Kipling’s poem “If” is not suitable for their college because he was raaaaacisst. Of course. They have replaced his poem with some vapid drivel from the serially overrated Maya Angelou. It might have been better if they’d simply rewritten Kipling’s verse, adapted it for modern times. I tried to help out in the Sunday Times today:

If you can self-define as something you’re not,

And crawl into victimhood, however well-bred

And spew out tendentious sub-teenage rot

And wear a vagina on top of your head,

And whine like a ninny, inside your safe space,

When the real world intrudes on the crap you’ve averred,

Then apply to our college – we’ll give you a place,

(For about £30k). And you’ll get a third.


TOPICS: Humor; Poetry; Society
KEYWORDS: kipling; rewrite
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To: Deaf Smith

The English language has an enormous vocabulary which allows exact translations to be achieved. That is why it is the language of Commerce. Contracts are written precisely. English means what it says and says what it means. French is the language of Diplomats for the reason that a word can be interpreted in more than one way depending on the rest of the sentence. All papers written in the United Nations for example, are written in English AND in French.
Translations of a given text may vary slightly depending on the translator, but the good translations carry the rhythm, feeling, and meaning of what is written.
it is not a new poem simply because the language is different. One must be, however, fluent in the language in order to recognize an excellent translation.

Un soir fait de rose et de bleu mystique...........
One evening made of rose and a mystic blue.........

Identical meaning, identical feeling, identical visual therefore the same poem.


41 posted on 09/02/2018 8:11:07 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

You would fail translating Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison poetry to the same song...words and meaning and it has to rhyme.


42 posted on 09/02/2018 8:28:24 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: IronJack
"As a novelist, not so much."

What about Kim and Captains Courageous? IMO, Kim is one of the greatest English Language novels. It ranks up there with Huckelberry Finn. He didn't actually write that many novels. He was mostly a short story writer and there are a lot of great ones and collections of short stories (Junglebook stories and Plain Tales from the Hills).
43 posted on 09/02/2018 8:42:56 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: bluejean
"They are well on their way with mass public shaming, character assassination, and destroying the businesses and careers of people who don’t toe the party line. Things are way out of hand, and the right doesn’t seem to get it or know how to fight it."

One of the people speaking out about it vociferously is writer Bret Easton Ellis who is liberal minded. However, he can't believe how the left his lost it's collective mind since Trump has won and constantly attack's comrade snowflakes who can't handle a different viewpoint.
44 posted on 09/02/2018 8:45:34 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Twotone

Yes, thanks for posting :)


45 posted on 09/02/2018 8:52:37 PM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' Grandma - multiplayer issue voter)
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To: Nifster

You must think - so called - like a communist:

If If (!) is written by a designated racist, then it is itself racist regardless of content.


46 posted on 09/02/2018 11:33:41 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Nifster

The Tyranny of Recency.


47 posted on 09/02/2018 11:36:03 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: YogicCowboy

Precisely


48 posted on 09/02/2018 11:49:38 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

Kipling has been given a bum rap for as long as I can remember (70 years). He was born in India of English parents during the reign of Queen Victoria. His poems and stories make wonderful reading. Intellectuals have blacked his name in the interest of political correctness.


49 posted on 09/03/2018 3:15:54 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

His writings have always stirred me


50 posted on 09/03/2018 6:02:57 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Twotone

Our universities are not interested in turning out men who think, but puppets who obey.


51 posted on 09/03/2018 6:28:40 AM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: Deaf Smith

We were talking about poetry. We were NOT talking about lyrics. Lyrics are written to fit the music or the music is composed to fit the lyrics. Songwriting is an entirely different art form. Poetry stands alone. Lyrics are one half of a duet.
You can have Hendrix and Morrison. I’ll take Shakespeare, Longfellow, Browning, Shelly, Keats, Guest, Kipling, Frost, and many others.


52 posted on 09/03/2018 8:06:08 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: bluejean
Things are way out of hand, and the right doesn’t seem to get it or know how to fight it.

That's what frightens me the most. I can see the Communist boa tightening its coils around our democratic republic, slowly forcing the life out of it. Yet apathy rules on the right.

53 posted on 09/03/2018 6:22:12 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

“I can see the Communist boa tightening its coils around our democratic republic, slowly forcing the life out of it. Yet apathy rules on the right.”

Agreed. Flyover country goes about it’s daily business thinking “It’ll never get THAT bad.” Well guess what? It’s here. And it’s getting that bad.


54 posted on 09/03/2018 8:39:25 PM PDT by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: Twotone

Kipling’s “The Mother Hive” is essential reading for all conservatives.


55 posted on 10/31/2019 11:48:49 AM PDT by oblomov
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