Inexplicable Species and the Theory of Evolution

Evolution News ^ | August 8, 2018 | Geoffrey Simmons

[semimojo]

The fact the species are labeled and grouped proves “evolution” is a step function and not an analog function.

Yeah. I keep making the same point about colors but it hasn't caught on.

[Zeneta]

I’m a big fan of Berlinski.

In my very long objective journey, I can’t overcome the Mathematics of evolution. The numbers don’t add up no matter how much time is added to the equation.

So, it’s either Panspermia, Intelligent Design, Theistic evolution or Creation.

The “Time” factor is critical.

[Zeneta]

Dr. David Berlinski - Rebellious Intellectual Defies Darwinism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXnq_tcM7c

An hour and 20 minutes with Berlinski.

[Pelham]

"Hmmm... that's not how it's taught Futuyma teaches

Other than demonstrating that you believe Futuyma is the final word on the subject, what's your point? He doesn't address Augustine at all, he just casually announces that Darwin makes theological explanations superfluous. In logic that's called asserting your premise, one of the more simplistic of logical fallacies. Next time try to find an argument that actually addresses what Augustine wrote and its connection with evolution.

[Heartlander]

Please - http://bfy.tw/JLVn

[ckilmer]

Most of what we know to be civilization has only occurred in the last 10,000 years and most of that only in the last 4000 years. And most of the really wild stuff only in the last 500 years.

Say 60 million years from now an alien species comes to earth and in an effort to discern where humans came from —they start digging in the dirt.

What they will find is a layer without humans and right on top of that —a layer with humans.

No transition.

Nothing.

First our bones and our stuff are not there and then our bones and our stuff are there in the dirt.

That’s it.

No transitional forms.

it’ll look like maybe humans came from outer space because as quickly as our stuff appears in the dirt the spent cases of rocket ships will be there.

My point?

likely the vast changes in animal architecture happened very very rapidly in terms of geological time. Something set up a genetic cascading effect.

[Pelham]

Evidently your ability to think about the subject begins and ends with textbooks. The Epistemology of Textbooks as the Akashic Records.

So if textbooks don’t discuss the arcana of Augustine’s evolutionary view of Creation (they won’t), it can’t be germane to the discussion of the intellectual history of evolution, because, you know, textbooks are the summation of and arbiters of all knowledge.

I’m curious: do you read any serious books outside of textbooks, school assignments?

[Heartlander]

Frankly you are wasting your time and mine - I am not your enemy nor am I trying to score points. I stated that evolution is not taught as you discribed. Here is another example if you decide to read it - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/28/opinion/sunday/god-darwin-and-my-college-biology-class.html

And yes, of course I read many books - here are other authors/teachers:

• Hobbes - thoughts can in principle be explained in terms of one thing and one thing only: matter in motion in the brain.

• Dawkins - we are merely lumbering robots doing the bidding of selfish genes created by a blind watchmaker in a universe of blind pitiless indifference without good or evil.

• Rosenberg – we have an illusion that thoughts really are about stuff in the world - we live with the myths that we have purposes that give our actions and lives meaning - and that there is a person “in there” steering our body.

• Provine - no ultimate foundation for ethics exists - no ultimate meaning in life exists – and human free will is nonexistent.

• Pinker - brains are shaped for fitness, not for truth

• Dennett - Darwinism is like “a universal acid; it eats through just about every traditional concept and leaves in its wake a revolutionized world-view.

• Ruse - ethics is an illusion created by our genes to deceive us – morality is an adaptation.

• Harris - Free will is an illusion. Our wills are simply not of our own making…. You will do whatever it is you do, and it is meaningless to assert that you could have done otherwise.

• Coyne - You are robots made out of meat - behavior is absolutely determined by the laws of physics… That is the infinite regress and the sort of annoying thing about determinism. It’s turtles all the way down.

  FYI - http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

[daniel1212]

Over a thousand years before Darwin, Augustine of Hippo wrote that God embedded “seeds” in Creation that would emerge at a later time. I think he used the image of an acorn developing into an oak tree, something that he might have borrowed from Aristotle.

No wonder he was a Catholic.Under that premise all the beliefs and that were not manifest in the most ancient and wholly inspired record of the NT church can be justified like as a bear becoming a whale. reliable su

[Pelham]

“No wonder he was a Catholic”

Augustine lived from 354 to 430 AD.

The Great Schism occurred in 1054

The Reformation occurred 1517 – 1648

His options were somewhat limited.

Luther, Calvin and Zwingli all drew upon Augustine so they might not have seen your point.

[Elsie]

Do NOT guess at how we ‘evolved’...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stegosaurus

...but how we MATE!!

[daniel1212]

“No wonder he was a Catholic” Augustine lived from 354 to 430 AD. The Great Schism occurred in 1054 The Reformation occurred 1517 – 1648 His options were somewhat limited. Luther, Calvin and Zwingli all drew upon Augustine so they might not have seen your point.

Yes, Augustine was not Newman, but the "acorn" analogy was what Newman could use to justify the extrapolation necessary for his specious Development of Doctrine

[Elsie]

If Evolution really worked in the past; then it MUSt still be working today.

so; where are all of the tiny, incremental changes that are going on right now?

Where are the critters that are ADAPTING to Global Warming?

Find me a varmit that can live on plastic bits.

Heck; just show me a physician that will NOT 'correct' what is considered to be a birth 'defect'!

[Elsie]

DANG!

I shudda read ahead!

[Elsie]

Somewhere along the line, a critter was born with a small change that got propagated.

Now ya got a couple (or 6) of these critters with change 'A' in them.

They hook up and produce more.

All this from a few animals.

Yet; biologists today tell us that cheetahs are endangered because of lack of diversity in their DNA.

I do wish these folks would get together and come up with stories that can work together.

[Elsie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken

[Elsie]

All evolution needs is a steady supply of random mistakes and the process of elimination called natural selection.

Mistakes?

Selection seems to imply a set of criteria to select FOR.

[Elsie]

You talkin' 'bout ME??

[TexasGator]

“
Find me a varmit that can live on plastic bits.”

Ok ...

https://www.popsci.com/bacteria-enzyme-plastic-waste

[Elsie]

Science has yet to explain this:

The Bible seems to do ok...

Romans 1:26-29