Posted on 08/02/2018 2:58:40 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
On paper, everything was going well for Seth Owen. A valedictorian of a high school in Jacksonville, Florida, with a 4.16 grade-point average, the 18-year-old had been accepted to Georgetown University as part of its Class of 2022.
But he had left his parents’ house in February after they had given him an ultimatum to attend their church, after years of disagreements related to his sexuality - Owen is gay - or move out, he told NBC News. And Georgetown’s financial aid package for him had been calculated based on what his family was expected to contribute, leaving him with a $20,000 gap to pay the tuition for his first year.
(Excerpt) Read more at tampabay.com ...
So, his folks tell him that now he has attained legal age, if he wants to live off their dime, he has to go to church...he refuses and then claims it’s because he’s homosexual and they can’t abide by that....funny how the very visible truth can get so lost when the story writer slants it so much....
Yes, they can cut him off and toss him out if the horse for what ever reason they wish.
Even if there was no right to gay marriage there’s nowhere in the country that it would be illegal.
That’s what we’ve decided as a society.
There are no reputable stats on the average age of death of “gay” men or women. Any age reported is like picking a number out of a hat. Why? Deaths are not reported as “gay” or “straight”.
Hate the sin, kick the sinner out.
Depending on the current issue or day:
"gay" > black
Recently:
Hispanic (illegal) > gay/black/law
He'll need lots of cash when he has to pay his co-pay for his AIDS meds when he contracts HIV.
Check out the publications within this community to get a glimpse. Before they took it down, Dallas's "gay" chorus Turtle Creek Chorale had a "member memorial" webpage where members who had passed on could be posted, and members who knew them could post info about them. It was very revealing. These were well-to-do, affluent men (it was a very expensive proposition to be in that choral group) in an affluent city so poverty or "lack of healthcare" wasn't the usual scapegoat. Ages at death in the 30's, 40's and occasionally 50's were the norm, not the exception. Posters who were the most honest would admit to the cause of death being AIDS or some related infection, others would just say that the member "died quietly at home." Forty-year-olds dying quietly at home is far from normal.
“Actuarial data is not available due to the current social climate”
Actuarial data is not available NOT due to the current social climate, but because it is not reported. Deaths are not recorded at time of death as “gay” or “straight”. Actuaries have no reliable data, anywhere, to provided a reliable “gay” death rate.
Most studies have, true enough, rates of death of HIV infected men, but next to none have accurate figures of the rate of HIV infection among “gay” men.
Often studies are like so: X% of “gay” men in San Francisco visiting medical facilities for examination of possible sex realted disease were shown to have HIV. Then that statistic is abused to say that % represents the % of “gay” men in San Fransico were shown to have HIV. But such a study actually shows nothing of the kind, because he has no data representation to show what % of the total “gay” population in San Fransico is represented by those who visited a medical facility for the reason noted in the study.
Such studies are like saying if 40% of the men vistitng a cardiac care center in San Francisco were shown to have high blood pressure it meant that 40% of the men in San Francisco have high blood pressure. Yet since there would be no reported figure for what % of the male population of San Francisco ever visited such clinics, the 40% figure cannot be ascribed to that total population at all.
If you have stats, present them.
As I have said, more than once. Deaths are not reported anywhere as “gay” or “straight” so true actuaries know there is no reliable data on the general “gay” population mortality. Mortality on specific conditions, like those with an HIV infection, yes, some, but they are not fully translatable to the total “gay” population.
You fail to realize the issue is not whether more “gay” men than “straight” men have/will likely engage in risky behavior from which they could obtain a medical problem - like an HIV infection - that will affect their mortality.
THAT general matter is not in question.
However, what is in question is any known rate of mortality for the total “gay” population. The best true actuaries cannot tell you what it is.
Sorry. Any paper that cites figures and does not cite the sources for the figures is not considereed truly scientific or reputable, whether or not it agrees with anyone’s preconceived opinions. That is the biggest problem with a good many such papers. There are accepted without question because they “sound right” in terms of what a reader expected. That does not make them accurate. Our suspicions alone do not make facts.
Many of you think that just because it is known that “gay” male sexual behavior can lead to greater risk of medical conditions automatically means there is some bonifed data as to mortality of “gay” men. In as much as deaths are not recorded as “gay” or “straight” there is no such reputable data that identifies average ages of death of “gay” persons.
That fact, not the general heath issue is the issue. That fact - the absence of accurate mortality data, is my point.
Bad information does not a good argument make.
I should have done this.
“We are going to be reading about so many anti-gay, anti-transgender, anti-black, anti-Hispanic, anti-woman articles right up to Election Day.”
Somehow the story doesn’t translate as - Pious family sought redemption for wayward son and son chose to continue his sinful ways....
“Actually that was factual information - Propaganda on your side notwithstanding.”
Actually it - a reputed life expectancy for “gay” men - was not “factual” information. It was no better than pulling a number out of a hat.
Deaths are not recorded as “gay” or “straight”, so there is no accurate average age of death recorded that distinguishes between “gay” and “straight”.
I have worked with actuaries and actuarial data for pension and insurance purposes. There is data - life expectancy - for “males” and “females” but not for “gay males”, “straight males”, “gay females” and “straight females”.
“There is lots of anecdotal material to make informed conclusions”
Anecdotal material informs only what what reported, by only those who reported it, and has nothing in it at all from the people it got no report from at all. It cannot be used to make “informed conclusions” of any general-total demographic category other than the individuals from whom the anecdotal material came. Anecdotal material bears no statistical relationship to any larger population.
At some point, the repeated anecdotes becomes the norm. Don’t pretend it doesn’t.
I’ll just leave this here...
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/yet-another-study-confirms-gay-life-expectancy-20-years-shorter
Lies, damned lies and statistics...
That’s not a personal attack; just a fact. Valid statistical data is damn hard to find and the devil is in the details.
That said, the evidence of disease and physical harm from aberrant sexual practices is not anecdotal, but empirical. Despite overwhelming evidence, the social justice zealots deny anything that goes against their creed. They literally destroy those who pursue subjects like sexual differentiation; sex change outcomes; causes of homosexual inclination; the relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia; racial differences; the difference between emotion and reality; the economic and social cost of socialism; objective study of Islam; intelligence; ad infinitum....
These people are simply promoting an agenda without regard to objective reality—much less the harm caused by their obstinate stupidity. Ad-hominem attacks and gross emotional appeal is their modus operandi, because their viewpoints cannot be logically supported.
“That said, the evidence of disease and physical harm from aberrant sexual practices is not anecdotal, but empirical. “
HOWEVER, accurate MORTALITY data that is “gay” versus “straight” distinct, is not only NOT empirical, is is nonexistant. THAT, not the health matters, anecdotal or empirical, is the issue.
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