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To: BDParrish
PARrish: "Are you re-igniting the pointless debate on the causes of the civil war, or are you suggesting that the Northern people did not fight in response to legitimate authority, that they fought only because they felt invaded and today we would not fight unless we felt invaded."

Well, I wouldn't "reignite" anything, just respond to numerous claims about an alleged "right of secession" or "right of rebellion", etc.
Our many Lost Causers argue the Declaration of Independence guarantees a right to secede and to rebel, so all Confederates really wanted was independence and to be left alone.

Problem is, none of that is true, in this instance I pointed to numerous Confederate invasions of Union states & territories, some even before any Union force "invaded" the Confederacy.

The Confederate response to Lincoln's call up of 75,000 troops after Fort Sumter, and to his declaration of blockade of Southern ports was a declaration of war against the United States.
Congress declared Confederate States in rebellion and war was on.

So, is something wrong with my legal understanding?

158 posted on 07/28/2018 6:11:02 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK

Though I think the debate is pointless today just as it was in the 1890’s (on and on it went,) and again as it was during the centennial, (on and on the same things said over and again and nobody listening,) I still think that today, a “state’s rights” position could be useful if it ever comes to blows.

Did you get my point that our side will NOT FIGHT without legitimate constituted authority? The states could provide this. There would also need to be a clear moral argument to give our side the Divine authority it has always needed. For the North it was the moral outrage of slavery, for the South it was the Bible authority for slavery, hence both sides in that war were fought by the good people who as Lincoln so aptly said, “called the same God” to aid.

Anyway what is the point in castigating the “lost causers” here on FreeRepublic? Where are the folks that realize we must come together, as we did to face the German threat in 1916 and the Soviet threat in the 1960’s?

Well we don’t need to come together if we are not gonna do anything. So we might as well put those lost causers, in their place.

BTW I cannot see that the invasion-of-the-North argument while perfectly true as far as it goes, is convincing anybody. You might think why this is so. Are you solving some problem? Is the strategy working or not? What is the point? All respect and love to you Brother Joe!


167 posted on 07/29/2018 12:49:55 PM PDT by BDParrish (One representative for every 30,000 persons!)
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