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1 posted on 07/23/2018 3:20:35 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman

With no taxpayer funds the company will be done


2 posted on 07/23/2018 3:22:48 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Signalman

HaHa, now he’s operating like a real automotive company.


3 posted on 07/23/2018 3:26:14 PM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: Signalman

Ta Ta, Elon.


4 posted on 07/23/2018 3:26:50 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Signalman

Tick, tick, tick ...


5 posted on 07/23/2018 3:27:16 PM PDT by KevinB (I do not care for that Obama fellow.)
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To: Signalman

I think Elon should have stuck with rockets...


6 posted on 07/23/2018 3:29:11 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Signalman

“Automakers often have brutal pricing demands on suppliers for future work, but retroactive rebates is not something we hear much about, and this is troubling for us to hear,” David Whiston, an analyst with brokerage Morningstar wrote in a note to clients.

...

The claim that this is a “retroactive rebate” appears to be false news by the WSJ.


7 posted on 07/23/2018 3:30:18 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Red Badger

ping


10 posted on 07/23/2018 3:31:47 PM PDT by Clay Moore (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people)
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To: Signalman

Elon Musk is doing awesome stuff! Why are some people here so down on him?

Yes he’s gotten government money to do stuff... Do you expect him NOT TO take advantage of everything he can?

He’s employing thousands of workers, and his employees seem to love him.


14 posted on 07/23/2018 3:41:08 PM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: Signalman

Tesla is doomed because the socialists are out of power.

Timing is everything.


17 posted on 07/23/2018 3:45:20 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: Signalman

Government picking winners and losers since 1860.


19 posted on 07/23/2018 3:50:23 PM PDT by Original Lurker
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Elon Musk is a total fraud. by Maureen Callahan

One disastrous tweet has finally revealed Elon Musk for what he is: a fraud.

Enraged that a British cave diver called his idea to rescue the Thai soccer team for what it was — “a p.r. stunt [with] absolutely no chance of working” — Musk took to Twitter and called him a “pedo.”

Just like that, Tesla’s market value plummeted by $2 billion.

Musk has been in business since 2002. His stated goal is nothing short of transforming humanity through his products: his electric cars, space travel, and an underground high-speed Hyperloop system.

He has yet to succeed at anything but somehow spins every failure into proof of imminent success. His only accomplishment has been this decades-long Jedi mind trick.

Tesla is best known for blowing deadlines and consistently falling short on production.

In November 2017, Bloomberg reported that the company burns through $500,000 per hour. For two years now, Tesla has been suffering an epic talent drain, and in May, two top execs — one the liaison with the National Transportation Safety Board — walked out the door.

That’s to say nothing of the human toll.

In March, a Tesla driver was killed while test-driving an autopiloted Model X, the impact decimating half the car. Then in May, the NTSB announced an investigation after two teenagers were killed in a Tesla Model S after its battery caught fire following a crash. A similar accident claimed a driver two months prior, with California firefighters reporting that the Tesla battery kept reigniting days after the smash.

California’s Division of Occupational Safety and Health opened its third investigation into workplace safety at Tesla Inc. in July after employee complaints. Two investigations have been ongoing since April, yet Musk took to Twitter to boast that Tesla was now building its cars in a tent.

“Not sure we actually need a building,” he tweeted. Meanwhile, he was “back to sleeping at the factory” to hit production deadlines.

This is a genius?

Tesla was founded in 2003, but the world’s largest automakers quickly surpassed Musk’s vision for electric vehicles. Tesla will never catch up. Shareholders are finally catching on.

Musk isn’t sorry and nothing is ever his fault

So should the government, which reportedly gifts Musk’s companies with an estimated $4.9 billion in subsidies.

Star investor Jim Chanos called Tesla a “walking insolvency” back in 2016. He doubled down in December, saying Tesla is “headed for a brick wall.”

SpaceX — which Musk touts as replacing NASA and colonizing Mars — has been a literal failure to launch. So many of its rockets have burned up or crashed that Musk, for reasons unknown, has made a blooper reel.

As for that Hyperloop, most experts say it’s impossible and unnecessary. “It gives me pause to think that otherwise intelligent people are buying into this kind of utopian vision,” Harvard professor Jose Gomez-Ibanez told MIT Technology Review in 2016.

“They’re up against the airlines, and airlines don’t need to install hundreds of miles of track.”

Rocket scientist and aerodynamic engineer Leon Vanstone has called the Hyperloop yet another Elon Musk hustle.

Writing in Fortune, Vanstone asked: “Is it possible to build a Hyperloop train into a 200-mile underground tunnel on a reasonable timeline that moves people in 29 minutes [from DC to New York] and isn’t prohibitively expensive? Probably not.”

Musk infamously does not take criticism well and refuses to be questioned or challenged — three lethal traits in a leader. On a conference call with analysts in May, Musk dismissed questions about Tesla’s diminishing capital and other dubious claims with name-calling.
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“Excuse me,” Musk said. “Next. Boring boneheaded questions are not cool.”

Tesla’s stock plummeted 5.6 percent after that performance. They also dropped 5 percent after an April Fool’s Day tweet in which Musk announced Tesla had gone bankrupt.

“Elon plays by his own rules,” a former Tesla exec told the Washington Post, “but I think he underestimates the weight of his own words.”

Musk’s attempts to insert himself into the Thai cave rescue show he has less intelligence and even less humanity than we realized.

He finally apologized on Wednesday for his disgusting accusations against the hero diver, but only after shareholders demanded it and not without accusing the diver of lying, insisting his own efforts weren’t p.r.-driven but “an act of kindness.”

Oh — and that the sub he built was “to specifications from the dive-team leader.”

In other words: Musk isn’t sorry and nothing is ever his fault.

Business as usual.

Link: https://nypost.com/2018/07/21/elon-musk-is-a-total-fraud/


21 posted on 07/23/2018 3:56:18 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: Signalman

The market for sedans has been cratering for a year. With their subsidies set to go away it will be awful tough for Tesla to make profit on a $30K mid size semi-luxury sedan.

Even if they can make 5000 of them a week who is going to buy them? They don’t have a pickup truck.

And they are building them in California! Think about how freaking expensive the labor and regulation compliance costs must be.


22 posted on 07/23/2018 3:58:57 PM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: Signalman

Tesla will fold like a cheap suit.

Soon, everyone who wanted one will have one. Then what? The residential panel business is mature and has its share of buyer remorse stories.

Tesla’s battery as grid backup story can only go so far. What would you rather have: a battery bank or a diesel generator as a backup for your hospital?


27 posted on 07/23/2018 4:11:27 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Signalman

Ferengi First Law of Acquisition: “Never, ever give them their money back!”


30 posted on 07/23/2018 4:58:28 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (A woman's right to choose: except for rape, she can choose NOT to have sex.)
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To: Signalman

Let me guess....Tesla reached out to suppliers whoms only Customer is....wait for it Tesla. Elon kinda has them by the family jewels, they can’t say no.

Supposedly Musk is trying to fast track a Chinese Factory. Say good bye Fremont, or minimal figurehead production /R&D.


31 posted on 07/23/2018 5:02:59 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Signalman

Where’s Obama when Tesla needs him the most?

Hey, democrats, a ‘green’ company is in deep trouble. Start up a go-fund-me-page to rescue it, since Trump ain’t about to dump money down the toilet like Obama did.


34 posted on 07/23/2018 7:21:57 PM PDT by adorno
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Should’ve stuck to rockets. The car companies have been doing this business since the beginning of time, through thick and thin, with a lot of hard lessons learned. This guy thinks he going to step right in and show everybody what’s what? How’s that working, pal? Despite what the media and Californians are talking, people don’t want inferior cars that cost triple what a gas car does up-front and 20 times the maintenance costs. Lots of people will talk it up, damn few will actually put money down. And the few that did are sick of the delays and walking. Elon will probably survive on his rockets but the car side of the business is screwed and his stock prices are already showing it.


38 posted on 07/23/2018 8:44:15 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Signalman

Maybe Toyota and GM will buy it back out of auction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI

If Obama III were President, she’d give it to the UAW.


45 posted on 07/24/2018 2:50:41 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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